Galen Rupp Has NO CHANCE At The U.S. 5000m Record

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

t94bell wrote:

He probably doesn't have a chance. He is coming off bronchitis. Why does everyone overlook this?

Fanboys want to have it both ways. Simple as that.

People like A Duck believe both (a) that Rupp was "coughing his lungs out" with severe bronchitis just last week and therefore couldn't finish a 1500 he chose to start and (b) he can run the AR today.

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Exactly. The beauty of it is that when Rupp runs short of the U.S. record, these sycophants will say it is because of this (cough, cough) bronchitis. IF Rupp were truly ill, he wouldn't be competing in Zurich, especially when he and his coach won't even compete if the pollen count is not precisely where they feel it needs to be. This masked man is not the type to compete unless he feels that everything is close to ideal. Rupp and Salazar probably wish they could run in some ventolin calculator-calibrated utopia. This is not possible and neither is a sub 12:55 for our boy Galen.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

Galen's medal in the 10,000m is impressive, but Galen was running against other runners who can barely break 13 this year. Galen's true situation manifested in the 5000m, where, although admittedly he was not fresh, he was truly outclassed by superior runners.

Exactly. As I keep trying to enlighten the fanboys, Rupp's 10,000 came in a slow race against a weak field?

Would he have won in 2008? No. 2004? No. 2000? ROTFLMAO.

The 5000 showed where he really stands.

He CAN not go 13:00. DNF Galen will drop out (yet again) if the 62s laps feel too hot. NO HEART.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

t94bell wrote:

He probably doesn't have a chance. He is coming off bronchitis. Why does everyone overlook this?

Fanboys want to have it both ways. Simple as that.

People like A Duck believe both (a) that Rupp was "coughing his lungs out" with severe bronchitis just last week and therefore couldn't finish a 1500 he chose to start and (b) he can run the AR today.

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Listen asshat, I haven't commented on Rupp's bronchitis, so don't mis-represent me.

I will now say this, bronchitis can last a month or longer.

So I have no opinions or predictions on what Rupp may do, he could very well DNS.

I'll also say this, I've made no big predictions about Rupp this year, I've said since last year that he is probably a year behind Mo.

What I have done is to encourage others to stop with the internet board idiocy, appreciate the guys talent and ability, and enjoy the performances.

The trajectory on this site for 5 years has been to trash Rupp for not being able to do something, only to seem him improve and succeed at that something (win NCAA XC, win NCAA titles, place in a DL meets, win a medal at the Olympics etc.)

This board has gone from 80% dickwads like yourself spouting nonsense about Rupp...to 80% people who respect an Olympic Silver Medalist who defeated every single Kenyan, Ethiopian (two Bekele's), Eritrean, African and non African runner, save one African born runner...his training partner.

I tend to think it is 50/50 Galen will run or not run this 5,000.

And again, asshat, I've posted no opinion about Rupp's bronchitis. IF YOU HAD A FREAKING BRAIN IN YOUR HEAD YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT FOR 5 YEARS I HAVE ONLY POSTED INFORMATION ABOUT RUPP THAT I HAVE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF. Unlike a dolt like yourself.

Me: Supporting an elite athlete based on facts.

You: Trashing an elite athlete on message board and acting like an idiot.

I'll make one prediction. If Rupp had a career ending injury in a month... It will be a long time before you all find yourself suddenly screaming at the tv and yelling for an American born kid to podium in an Olympic distance final.

As I said before the Olympics -- just step back and enjoy the man's career and accomplishments.

And actually take at least 2 minutes to conisider - CONSIDER the work it has taken to get as good as he is - and try and understand it.

If you engage whatever intelligence your addled brain has...you'll realize exactly how talented and rare he is, and how 12 years of work are finally paying off -- and just appreciate it and enjoy the performances and accomplishments.

And what woodshed would that be? The one that you and Uncle Larry used to get down after Bible hour over at the local Evangelical church where he promised he'd show you his toy train collection. After about the the fifth time, you'd think you'd learn!

Really, you're funny, because you're too arrogant to know that you're and idiot and too stupid to know how to get out of an argument that you're clearly losing. So, instead of you actually admitting that you're a nimrod, you decide to turn the argument back on me, claiming that I am an idiot, after clearly having called you out? I remember when I was in middle school.

I'm actually kind of amused by this and no longer wish to engage in what normal society calls a "civil argument".

I really am impressed with your big boy words that you got off thesaurus.com, it sincerely makes you look smarter. Tell me, when you wake up in the morning, do you look in the mirror and tell yourself how awesome you are as the countless Star Wars and Star Trek "action figures" in your tiny basement room seem to chant in agreement as they stare lifelessly back at you? I bet you're a real winner.

Tell me, what have I copied and pasted from the internet? It's common knowledge for ANYONE who has been to law school, and/or taken any classes concerning the constitution at any school worth going to, which I also highly doubt you have done, that this is what the first amendment states, in plain text. If you have half a functional brainstem and can read properly, you could deduce this.

I really am beginning to enjoy reading your witless and nonsensical responses. However, getting in an argument on the internet with me won't bring your probably terrible looking ex girlfriend back from banging all the dudes in the frat across the street. I bet that one made you a bit angry, considering you just started getting over all the years Uncle Larry decided to plant his steam engine in your caboose.

Or maybe you're just upset and the apparent insignificance of your genitalia. Man, I actually am starting to feel bad for you. You're kind of like that kid who thinks he knows what he's talking about in class, stands up to make a big point, and realizes he prematurely ejaculated since he was getting all giddy and now everyone in the class can see his dirty little secret. I can only imagine that talking to you in real life would be as painful as scraping sandpaper along my balls while simultaneously ingesting copious amounts of everclear to help dull my senses to your idiocy.

+1

peace man.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Fanboys want to have it both ways. Simple as that.

People like A Duck believe both (a) that Rupp was "coughing his lungs out" with severe bronchitis just last week and therefore couldn't finish a 1500 he chose to start and (b) he can run the AR today.

A Duck wrote:

Listen asshat, I haven't commented on Rupp's bronchitis, so don't mis-represent me.

I will now say this, bronchitis can last a month or longer.

So I have no opinions or predictions on what Rupp may do, he could very well DNS.

Thank you for the medical information. That fact is EXACTLY why expecting anything special from Rupp today would be moronic...IF he had actually had legitimate bronchitis. WHICH HE DIDN'T.

With real bronchitis, Rupp wouldn't have even started. The guy has DNSed based on pollen count, remember? He's not exactly an athlete who has to be pulled kicking and screaming out of the stadium by doctors.

You can believe that Rupp was actually ill in Birmingham and that he won't perform today (your opinion), or you can believe that he wasn't really that ill and will be amazing today (my hope). But you can't logically state that he was truly ill last week AND is going to be near the AR today, as many fanboys are doing.

rupp probably has what cam levins had in the final 5000m.

try running 1"53 or whatever the splits were with lungs full of junk.

the diagnosis personally i don't know, flu, cold, bronchitis definitely not pneumonia.

basically rupps performance depends on if he is healthy.

since the season was not too long - in an ideal scenario those OG races would serve to bring him to a peak.

a tip-top rupp brings down the record in a race that is even paced and allows drafting through most of the meters.

is rupp tip top? we'll soon find out.

my bet would be that rupp has mostly recovered but not totally for a 6th place finish. in 13 flat.

tip-top rupp goes sub 12:50

SPMBLNPF wrote:

This masked man is not the type to compete unless he feels that everything is close to ideal. Rupp and Salazar probably wish they could run in some ventolin calculator-calibrated utopia. This is not possible and neither is a sub 12:55 for our boy Galen.

Ghost of Races Past wrote:

http://www.racecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/USOlyTrials_10K-men_515x350.jpg

WOW. He ran in the RAIN?

BTW this photo is from Olympic trials. I think he kind of had to do that one.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

Of course, there has been some chatter about Galen attempting to break the U.S. 5000m record tomorrow in Zurich. This is not going to happen, as Galen's ceiling at 5000m is 12:55. Now even some of you dimwits can ascertain that if one's ceiling is 12:55, it is quite difficult to run 12:53. Galen will struggle tomorrow to even break 13, but I am not ruling out that he sets a personal best. Bernard Lagat is going to be ahead of Galen, and Galen will do well to finish in the top 8. Now that I have spoken, there is not much to do but wait for the unfolding of the obvious which I have written above.

I wonder if Mr. SPMBLNPF happened to read today's (Aug 30) quote of the day about the 19-year old Aussie 400m runner Steve Solomon...and how on paper he had no chance of making the olympic final but instead willed his way there with the best 3 races of his life at just the right time. Someone who would write the quote concerning Rupp certainly has no idea of what it took to get Solomon to the final and what it takes to have a break out performance. He'll forever be obsessed by what he and others can't do, not what is truly possible with a bit of hard work, persistence, and a dream.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

Of course, there has been some chatter about Galen attempting to break the U.S. 5000m record tomorrow in Zurich. This is not going to happen, as Galen's ceiling at 5000m is 12:55. Now even some of you dimwits can ascertain that if one's ceiling is 12:55, it is quite difficult to run 12:53. Galen will struggle tomorrow to even break 13, but I am not ruling out that he sets a personal best. Bernard Lagat is going to be ahead of Galen, and Galen will do well to finish in the top 8. Now that I have spoken, there is not much to do but wait for the unfolding of the obvious which I have written above.

SPMBLNPF,

It is obvious from your posts that you for some reason don't really want Galen Rupp to excel at long distance running; your posts tell people to rule out any hopes they have for Galen regarding his chances for either winning races, setting prs, or breaking records.

The olympics is the most important event for the sport of track and field (and arguably the most important sporting event in the world). The best runners from each country run in a "final" race to see who is the best in the world. When I say "final," I mean it carries more importance than other races in that same year, and more importance than any race in the previous 3 years. Think of it like playing ping pong with your friend who is of an equal level and he beats you a few times, you beat him a few times, and you guys are keeping track of the win-count and one of you says: "ok, ok, now this next game is THE final game...whoever wins is the better player and will win bragging rights." It's like trying to stop the never ending continuum of competition every so often to periodically determine who is the best competitor. The Olympics is not much different. It is more important than other races mainly because of its history and old tradition: human beings over the years have decided that every 4 years the Olympics will be that "final-ping-pong" type of event to see who is the best because we like to see who is the best. Well guess what? At this past Olympics of 2012 in London, Galen earned 2nd place - the silver medal.

I know this is no new news for you. I also know that you could come up with excuses why he did so well: like maybe the field was weak? Or maybe it was a slow race? Without delving into these two questions too much, I will say that Kenenisia Bekele was in the race who is in my mind the greatest distance runner of all time, along with Haile...and Galen beat him. This fact echoes the ping pong rivalry hypothesis that Bekele beat Galen a few times, once at World Champs in Osaka and once at World Champs at Berlin, once at that 10,000 meter race where Galen ran 26:48 and Galen beat Bekele once at Pre and once at London). You probably might say well, they're not friends, and they are not of an equal level, but my point in writing that example wasn't to create a perfect analogy but rather to put into perspective the importance of the Olympic men's 10,000 meter final race in relation to other 10,000 meter races. Regarding the potential slow-race-argument, 27:30 might be slow compared to a rabbited world record pace, but it is within 4 seconds of what the average winning time of the Olympic final has been over the last 40 years. By the way, the average winning time over tha last 40 years in the Men's Olympic 10,000 meter final is 27:26.30 (http://trackandfield.about.com/od/longdistance/qt/olym10000men.htm). Winning time this year: 27:30.42.

Now you are confused. You are probably thinking: "I thought this thread was supposed to be about predicting Galen's time for the upcoming 5k?" My response is about to address that question. I personally think he could do it. The reasons why I think he could do it, other people have already written them better than me here in this thread, like the fact that he can close in 52 seconds etc. And if there are other people out there who agree with me, yall know what to do, +1.

It should be brought to everyone's attention that the title of your post wasn't really an invitation for an honest debate regarding the prediction of GR's time...it was a statement saying he has no chance at the U.S. 5000 meter record. First of all, don't be so negative. I mean I guess you could argue that your title prompted a lot of responses but that's not the nicest way to go about it, especially since there are a lot of people who are inspired (me included...in fact I went for a run right after I saw Galen win the silver medal) by his recent achievements. No matter how you respond to the previous sentence, I really wont care. That's a segue into a question for you, SPMBLNPF: why to write something so negative? Who knows why, that would require a thorough analysis of your emotions, behavior, personality, major and recent life experiences. By the way, feel free to answer that question.

SPMBLNPF you remind me of those people who say global warming is such a problem and that human beings caused it and we are 100% to blame. Any tiny indication that it might be a true theory they get on the media where everyone can see them and spout their truths based on facts. So maybe you heard that Galen is a little under the weather right now, so you think he has "NO CHANCE" or maybe you saw him get beat in a race in High School or in college and you think he has "NO CHANCE." Who knows?

No matter how you respond to this post, I dont really care (well actually, I am interested to see if you answer my question to you 2 paragraphs above, and also what is your 5k pr, you know, so that everyone can see what kind of a person we are dealing with). You didn't really make me mad to even write this post here. It was actually a good thing your thread made it to the homepage because as a result of reading it and pondering some ideas, I got some good practice on common-sense writing.

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One more thing: the more arguments you use to bash Rupp, the more homosexual you are.

Some people on here are of such small d!cks and self hatred that if Rupp ran a WR in the Olympic Final you'd criticize him for wearing the wrong color singlet.

Seeing some one else succeed does not diminish you meager accomplishments as a runner. You should be happy when any US runner does well.

every one here keep talking about dope but its just dank ass african weed, shit makes u go, bekele blaze dat shit dawg before erry race, he just too old and injured now, gebremeskel gehbriwat koech alamirew lagat all know wassup, dey is down wit dat maui wowie doe

Blah, blah, blah

As an aside, if anyone knows of a link to watch the race, please post

Who is Galen Rupp?

OP is taking Letsrun for a ride.

ventolin^3 wrote:

idiot

12'55 is no ceiling

try 10s faster

if he's recovered from chest infection, this might offer him a taper, bringing him well rested to the meet & full energy reserves

if so, 12'53 shoud be no problem

well, you have been correct before with your calculator, so I hesitate to argue, but it seems to me his present potential is right around 12'50 - possibly slightly under. I'd like to see how you determine 12'45 once more.

nonetheless, the troll who started this thread (and all of those other ridiculous ones about Rupp) hasn't a clue if he really thinks 12'55 is his present potential.