Koneko wrote:
No, naive people such as yourself are the problem. What incentive does WADA have to crack down on doping when the fans clearly don't care?
They seemed to care when they busted Gatlin.
Koneko wrote:
No, naive people such as yourself are the problem. What incentive does WADA have to crack down on doping when the fans clearly don't care?
They seemed to care when they busted Gatlin.
I can't understand why everytime someone runs fast there's always people who say that person is doping. If the athlete has never failed a drug test I don't get why people are so convinced that person is doping or cheating. The truth of the matter is that none of us really have any idea. Someone can come on here and make all these claims and sound like they know what they're talking about, but really they do not. They have the same amount of true knowledge on the situation sitting on their couch that the rest of us do: none. If Bolt and Blake haven't failed a drug test, we can't just sit here and say they're doping and get all fired up about it.
As for Gatlin: yes he failed a drug test. Yes he got banned, and he served his ban. I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but I'm happy for him Gatlin today getting Bronze. Would I have rather seen Gay medal? Yes. But I am happy for Gatlin. He admitted he did wrong by doping, and served his ban. Since he has returned from his ban, he has been clean. Not that his doping sin is totally forgiven, but what else is a guy to do besides own up to it, accept his punishment, and try to be better after it? I think it's very impressive to go through that kind of personal turmoil and come back and perform like he did
Gay should have taken lessons about "how to lean" from Bumbalough.
Oh...and Powell actually could break 12 from the blocks. Unlike Seb Coe.
tourest wrote:
As for Gatlin: yes he failed a drug test. Yes he got banned, and he served his ban. I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but I'm happy for him Gatlin today getting Bronze. Would I have rather seen Gay medal? Yes. But I am happy for Gatlin. He admitted he did wrong by doping, and served his ban. Since he has returned from his ban, he has been clean. Not that his doping sin is totally forgiven, but what else is a guy to do besides own up to it, accept his punishment, and try to be better after it? I think it's very impressive to go through that kind of personal turmoil and come back and perform like he did
He never admitted wrongdoing. He blamed his physio, despite the fact he was running for the dirtiest coach in US history. He was a 9.9 guy last year, but now that he's running for Dennis Mitchell (busted for testosterone in 1998), husband of Damu Cherry (busted for norandrosterone in 2003) he's running faster than he ever has in his life. Can you name one person who has performed better after a doping ban than they did before they were caught that wasn't eventually caught a second time? I can't.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Koneko wrote:lol the "he was good as a teenager" justification is bullshit and you know it. Ever heard of Marion Jones? ALL dopers would have been GOOD regardless of doping - but maybe not Olympic medalists.
And I follow the sport to cheer for the clean athletes.
Let's get to the real point I was trying to make. Is the only reason you think Bolt doped was because he ran really, really fast? That is idiotic. Makes no damn sense. Why do you even follow the sport? If that is how you think it means you have some limit for human performance that you put in your mind and assume anyone who runs faster is doping. SO F*CKING STUPID. People like you once thought no one could break 4 in the mile. Break 10 for 100. All those performances aided by PEDS? If you think so just get the f*ck out of the sport. No one needs your negativity, it's no wonder track is such small potatoes on the world stage when "fans" question whether everyone is doping. F*ck you.
Actually this reasoning is completely sound. Since PEDs help (quite a lot), it is highly probable that the fastest athletes in the world are on PEDs. Another way of thinking of it - if there are a hundred men in the world with the talent to make it into the 100m final, and 8 of them decide to dope, those are the 8 you are likely going to see in the final.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
F*ck you moron, learn the sport. Bolt has been insanely good for a LONG LONG time. This isn't some guy coming out of nowhere to run crazy times, it's a guy who has proven himself on the world stage since he was 14. If WADA didn't want to crack down on the most popular athletes in the sport Gatlin wouldn't have been busted because he was the most popular male athlete in track at the time and his bust brough a ton of suspicion. I hate him because he is a doper, nothing about Bolt or Blake makes me think doper. If running fast means you are suspected of doping why do you even follow this sport? That has just got to suck balls for you.
Try this. Before Bolt, Gay and Powell all came out at the exact same time, only ONE man had ever run under 9.85 without later testing positive. EVERYONE else that ever did it tested positive. Then suddenly, when the world record had been going to down by only HUNDREDTHS of seconds for years and years, three men at the same time come along and collectively lower the world record by TWO TENTHS? Suddenly there are three guys who are leaps and bounds better than every doper for two decades? Nothing about running ASTOUNDINGLY FASTER than the best in the world ever....not slightly faster, but so incredibly faster that its hard to believe, makes you suspicious? No, we just have four supermen who all happen to come along at the same time and just be that much collectively better then all the dopers.
Let me guess, you think Lance is clean too, right?
'Cause everyone outside the lower 48, alaska and hawaii hates the US
Time to just get the money out of sports and make them all amateur
Juice is in all sports now, and even cops 'n firemen have the odd attack of 'roid rage proving PEDs are entering all levels of life: note that Stallone got busted in Australia when he carried HGH in his baggage
The problem? The stuff WORKS...no argument
Jeff Wigand wrote:
He never admitted wrongdoing. He blamed his physio, despite the fact he was running for the dirtiest coach in US history. He was a 9.9 guy last year, but now that he's running for Dennis Mitchell (busted for testosterone in 1998), husband of Damu Cherry (busted for norandrosterone in 2003) he's running faster than he ever has in his life. Can you name one person who has performed better after a doping ban than they did before they were caught that wasn't eventually caught a second time? I can't.
Except that he isn't running faster than he did before. So your whole paragraph is irrelevant
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Nothing about Blake makes me think doper.
Other than his positive test for methylhexanamine?
That substance wasn't in the WADA banned list at that time (2009)Raptured wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:Nothing about Blake makes me think doper.
Other than his positive test for methylhexanamine?
Just because he is running for someone who was busted for doping doesn't mean he is doping himself.
And he's not running faster than he ever has in his life. He ran 9.77 in 2006 (that time was annulled). He ran 9.79 today
Read, learn, understand.
It was rather likely that contamination was the cause of the "suspension"
Raptured wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:Nothing about Blake makes me think doper.
Other than his positive test for methylhexanamine?
tourest wrote:
I can't understand why everytime someone runs fast there's always people who say that person is doping. If the athlete has never failed a drug test I don't get why people are so convinced that person is doping or cheating. The truth of the matter is that none of us really have any idea. Someone can come on here and make all these claims and sound like they know what they're talking about, but really they do not. They have the same amount of true knowledge on the situation sitting on their couch that the rest of us do: none. If Bolt and Blake haven't failed a drug test, we can't just sit here and say they're doping and get all fired up about it.
As for Gatlin: yes he failed a drug test. Yes he got banned, and he served his ban. I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but I'm happy for him Gatlin today getting Bronze. Would I have rather seen Gay medal? Yes. But I am happy for Gatlin. He admitted he did wrong by doping, and served his ban. Since he has returned from his ban, he has been clean. Not that his doping sin is totally forgiven, but what else is a guy to do besides own up to it, accept his punishment, and try to be better after it? I think it's very impressive to go through that kind of personal turmoil and come back and perform like he did
It's cynicism and envy. Mediocrities don't want to believe that some people are just great. Gatlin may have been doped while he was running under Trevor, but he never needed dope.
Bolt is not doped. He is just better than any doper ever by a light year. xD
finnish guy wrote:
Bolt is not doped. He is just better than any doper ever by a light year. xD
POD and stupid !
well, hey, if everyone in the final of the 100 was doping, then at least it was a fair race!
That HGH surely didn't help Stallone any. I didn't see him in the 100M finals.
This may then be the dirtiest race over the Ben Johnson one in Seoul! And scientist, doctors and everyone is wrong about the human body able to run that fast, but for that long they are right! Microscopic tears and strains on the muscles; running like this every year? Give me a break, this is really looking like the Seoul year of BJ. He lost a few, faked a hammy and ran like crap, then blows everyone away on the final..? Who knows, time will tell. Come World Championships next year we definitely will not see racing like this.
Odds and Ends wrote:
Feel bad for Tyson, the doper took his bronze.
can't wait for Bolt to retire. he is drugged up freak. 100 has become a total joke.