I have done no such thing. I'm a big fan of Sally's, having met her numerous times. She's a genuinely nice person and I'd be happy to see her take gold next month.[/quote]
My apologies, Mr Sherman. I 'replied' to the wrong post. I'm sure you are right about her character. I once saw her close-up at the Gold Coast track. Looked naturally developed to me. I was referring to all the Americans and Euros pissed off that a mere Aussie could beat them (with all the shit they put into themselves).
His point is she is white!!! we don't cheat.
it's a shame that we have come to - any outstanding performance is due to ped. we might as well just throw in the towel now.
i don't understand why more hurdlers don't sharpen their skills by competing in the flat 100M.
quite a sardonic post there :-)
It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant you can be. Very few 800 specialists run within 2 seconds of the women's world record of 1:53. That record is a huge joke. That record is put so far out here due to doping, that it won't be touched. In the last 10 years the year's best time as been within 2 seconds of the WR only 2 times. 2002 1:55.19 2003 1:55.55 2004 1:56.23 2005 1:56.07 2006 1:56.66 2007 1:56.04 2008 1:54.01 2009 1:55.45 2010 1:57.34 2011 1:55.87
ventolin^3 wrote:
jjjjjjj wrote:what training do the top women 1500m do? put up or drop this topic where you are uncharacteristically ignorant.apologies
meant to say speed is king - meaning some proper 800 speed for 1500
coe went 1'41, cram 1'42.8, baala/asbel 1'43.1, noah 1'44.6 split in 1k
i can't find 1 current women 1500 runner who has shown/potentially shown, 800 speed within ~ 2s of the current 1'53.2wr
recent women 1500 runners don't have 800 speed of male 1500 runners ( asbel/baala are recent )
they don't seem to offer much better than 1'59, nearly 7s outside wr, compared to 2s for male
that indicates to me that women's 1500 times CAN'T be same calibre as men - they don't have the 800 speed - even silas/gus have gone 1'44 -> 3s+ of 800wr ( 1'55+ equivalent for women )
You have zero idea about the hurdles. The fastest 100m time doesn't neccesarily equate to the best 100/110m hurdles. Stride pattern plays a huge role. I.e Felcien Perdita run the 100m in about 11.8 versus Virginia Crawford who runs it in 11.1. Both have the same 100m hurdle pb of around 12.46/7.
Lets not forget Lopes-Schliep....omg....she is turning in to a man! Talk about all doped up!
Destiny wrote:
Lets not forget Lopes-Schliep....omg....she is turning in to a man! Talk about all doped up!
She suffers from Lipodystrophy.
joho wrote:
Henry Sherman wrote:Like who?
From Pre Classic
http://www.flotrack.org/article/12703-RESULTS-2012-Prefontaine-Classic-Eugene-Diamond-League5 Thomas Pkemei Longosiwa KEN 13:03.88
6 John Kipkoech KEN 13:06.71
7 Yenew Alamirew ETH 13:06.84
Today's meet
4 ALAMIREW Yenew ETH 12:48.77 PB
5 LONGOSIWA Thomas Pkemei KEN 12:49.04 PB
6 KIPKOECH John KEN 12:49.50 PB
The fact that all 3 of them improved roughly the same amount in a month does not support doping. Did they all synchronize their doping schedules even though they are from different countries with different coaches? Bekele ran faster too, although not as much.
I think it's more suspicious when one athlete improves much more than one would expect, or in the the case of the Chinese records, improvements occur in a environment closed to the rest of the world.
It seems like the fast times in the Paris 5k are mostly the result of pacing and good racing conditions.
clearing the bs up wrote:
o.O wrote:I still think Jones and Gatlin are innocent, one had to admit to it after the fact the other mysteriously tested positive for an untestable substance.
which is why your opinion means zilch
Along with yours
Doping?
It was set by a MAN
I think you completely missed the point of my post. The only thing you have proven is that not all fast 100m runners will automatically make great hurdlers. I'm saying that at the moment Sally is the only female hurdler in the world who combines great flat speed AND great hurdling technique/stride patterning, and that's why she is so dominant nowadays. Even if Perdita's 100m time is 11.8 (although All Athletics lists it as 11.6) she clearly doesn't run flat 100s in competition very often. I'd bet anything that in peak shape she could easily run sub 11.5
Disrespect wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant you can be. Very few 800 specialists run within 2 seconds of the women's world record of 1:53. That record is a huge joke. That record is put so far out here due to doping, that it won't be touched
idiot
pamela ran within 0.73s off it whilst a raw kid & wouda likely got it if not tailing off thru lack of motivation/injury after
the wr is very attainable
nevermore wrote:
joho wrote:From Pre Classic
http://www.flotrack.org/article/12703-RESULTS-2012-Prefontaine-Classic-Eugene-Diamond-League5 Thomas Pkemei Longosiwa KEN 13:03.88
6 John Kipkoech KEN 13:06.71
7 Yenew Alamirew ETH 13:06.84
Today's meet
4 ALAMIREW Yenew ETH 12:48.77 PB
5 LONGOSIWA Thomas Pkemei KEN 12:49.04 PB
6 KIPKOECH John KEN 12:49.50 PB
The fact that all 3 of them improved roughly the same amount in a month does not support doping. Did they all synchronize their doping schedules even though they are from different countries with different coaches? Bekele ran faster too, although not as much.
I think it's more suspicious when one athlete improves much more than one would expect, or in the the case of the Chinese records, improvements occur in a environment closed to the rest of the world.
It seems like the fast times in the Paris 5k are mostly the result of pacing and good racing conditions.
It was quite a bit cooler and overcast in Paris, and the race leaders didn't back off from 3000-4500m as we've seen so often.
Compare the splits from Oslo a month ago to those in Paris:
2:33.81 2:32.73
2:42.74 2:37.93
2:35.06 2:33.87
2:40.86 2:36.01
2:26.35 2:26.27
Conditions were great and they didn't let the pace go to hell in those mid kilometers.
ethiopians - hermens, admitted drug cheat and a guy who only the naivest child thinks is a clean manager represents alamirew
Well "more dirty types" you're one of the dirty types yourself stating Hermens is an admitted drug cheat.[quote]more dirty types wrote:
Hey "idiot"
The world 800WR is very attainable? What kind of moron are you? Jelimo's time should be the WR, not some roided up Eastern European.
And I'm glad we have you to tell us that women don't train hard enough in the 1500. Please go forth and let all the coaches know. I'm shocked that with your expertise you're not running USATF.
Destiny wrote:
Lets not forget Lopes-Schliep....omg....she is turning in to a man! Talk about all doped up!
Destiny, it's nowadays so easy trying to verify accusations like you're doing in regards with Lopes-Schliep. Not only she is suffering from Lipodystrophy, also close family suffers from this genetic disorder. Again so easy to find out.
You owe her a big excuse for your stupid so called "observation"!!
Prong wrote:The world 800WR is very attainable? What kind of moron are you? Jelimo's time should be the WR, not some roided up Eastern European
imbecile
if you can get within 0.73s of it as raw kid, then you have potential to break it if healthy/motivated
& iaaf lists 1'53.28 as wr
too dumb to understand this i see
And I'm glad we have you to tell us that women don't train hard enough in the 1500
you learnt something
Please go forth and let all the coaches know
10s on a calculator knocking off 10% from 4'00 woud tell them that for themselves
I'm shocked that with your expertise you're not running USATF.
why woud i want a job with a pay-cut ???
Don't worry guys there was something wrong with the Paris timer. Galen and Lagat will medal. Let's say in your dreams lol!
100m. T.Gay 9.99 =497th best of all time.Best of 9.69.
800m. D.Rudisha 1.41.54 =7th best of all time. Best of 1.41.01. WR back in 1981 was 1.41.73.
5000m. D.Gebremeskel 12.46.81 10th best of all time. Progression 13.08 2008, 13.03 2009, 12.55, 12.53 2010. Slower than 1995 WR (12.44.39).
2d place H.Gebrhwet 12.47.52 12th best of all time
3d place I.Koech (born 93)12.48.64 15th best of all time. 12.54 in 2011.
4th place Y.Alamiraw 12.48.77 17th best of all time.
5th place T.Longosiwa 12.49.04 20th best of all time. 12.51 in 2007.
6th place J.Kipkoech 12.49.50 22d best of all time. 7.32 3000m in 2010.
3000mSC.P.Koech 8.00.57 41st best of all time. Best of 7.54.31.
400mH. J.Culson 47.78 132d best of all time.
PV.won in 5.77 the is WR 6.14.,TJ won in 17.23 the WR is 18.29. SP won in 20.54 the WR is 23.12. JT won in 85.67 the WR is 98.48.
Womens 200m Won in 22.55 the WR is 21.34. 400m won in 49.77 (268th fastest time) 3000mSC won in 9.28.81 the WR is 8.58.81. HJ won in 1.97 the WR is 2.09. LJ won in 6.70 the WR is 7.52. DT won in 61.81 the WR is 76.80.
1500m M.Alaoui Selsouli 3.56.15 23d best of all time.
2d place A.Cakir Alptekin 3.56.62. 32d best of all time.
3d place A.Arigawe 3.58.59 110th best of all time SB is 3.56.54.
100m H S.Pearson 12.40 30th best of all time. Best of 12.28 =7th best of all time.
Not sure where all the suspicious performances are. A few fast 5000m times but certainly several of those were to be expected if you got good pacing and conditions leading into the OG.
The womens 1500m times were quite quick but this event has been quite weak over the years.
Pearson is a strongly built lass but certainly has no indication of steroid use. She is fast over the flat and a beautiful technical hurdler. Her 100m times are not so fast to indicate anything out of the ordinary. Her fast hurdles time last year was a technically perfect race.