trollism wrote:
I can't believe all you idiots.
She was clearly 'encouraged' to give up the spot for the 'greater good of the sport and the American Olympic team'.
You've got to be pretty slow-witted to not appreciate that this is what happened.
and a nationally televised run-off highlighting track (even cutting into swimming coverage) wouldn't be for the good of the sport?
Settle a dead heat by a runoff. How difficult is that? Tarmoh must be preserving her fire for the courts.
i hope Tarmoh sues for this injustice.
and i hope Felix gets a clue and gives Tarmoh back her place.
overruling FAT. what a joke. i don't give a rats *ss what ato's tweet factory produces.
what has it all come to?
Tarmoh is a disgrace not only to the sport of running but to all Olympians and to all athletes who tried and never became Olympians.How many athletes sacrificed so much, over came so many obstacles just to get an outside chance of becoming an Olympian. Overcoming physical, financial, and relationship burdens just for the remote chance. The determination and grit that an Olympian much show is inspiring.And Tormah either is a coward or in a fit because she thinks its not fair so she won't COMPETE for the spot. My God that is what an Olympians dreams of doing.....competing for their place. And Tormah walks away from that! Please don't have her on a relay team and don't have her anywhere near the determined and fearless Olympians. She should be at home, where its safe, watching the Olympics on TV!!
Sprintgeezer wrote:
There comes a point in life at which one must take responsibility for one's actions, within reason. I personally think that people under, say, 25 years of age still tend to make really unfortunate decisions. Tarmoh is 22.
I think that Tarmoh is a 22-year-old butterhead, on the cognitive level of a 22-year-old Gatlin.
I don't know to what extent she actually had freedom to choose independently of the surrounding environment--maybe she was paid, maybe she was co-opted, maybe she was threatened, maybe she was coerced, maybe she was intimidated, who knows. Hopefully we will get more details in the future, to allow us to make sense of what happened.
As it now stands, without knowing more than the bare facts that she chose not to accept the offer to compete for a spot on the 100m team and that before doing so, she expressed her unwillingness to participate in a run-off, Tarmoh is in the junk pile with Solinskrap.
USATF sucks, for sure, and their procedures in this matter can be said to have failed--but ultimately, the offer to further compete for the spot is not only fair, it is eminently fair, because that is what athletics is all about--honorable competition. That is ALL there is, winning, losing, and tying are mere by-products of the competition itself.
An individual who decides not to compete, decides not to be an athlete, because the act of competition is what defines an athlete as such. For whatever reason or combination of reasons, Tarmoh decided not to be an athlete.
Like I already said, I would also not select her for the 4x100 team.
Of course, there are things going on behind the scenes, mostly involving money, and coordination among organizations--USATF, Nike, meet promoters, agents, USOC, meet sponsors, agents. Everyone at the pro level is in this game to MAKE MONEY, and all the parties are ultimately looking to maximize their gains.
Tarmoh herself might not be all about the money, but she has people who take care of that for her. Who knows, if left to her own devices, maybe she would have decided differently. But right now, it must functionally be assumed that she acted of her own free will, because nobody has been forthcoming with any reliable information to suggest otherwise.
However, none of these actors is currently acting in a vacuum, and none of us on the outside know what is really going on...yet.
kjskljsnhjdh wrote:
Hey, Bumbi was within 4 secs of Lomong in the 5k, that's kinda "tied." Lets make Lomong do a runoff with Bumbi, or else he's a coward for refusing to compete for his spot. What does he have to lose by running?
I think you just won the "dumbest comment of the thread" award. You are hereby banned from commenting anymore because of stupidity.
In swimming, they do a swim-off. Moreover, there has been a precedent for an athlete being stripped of something they thought they had won in track, not related to drugs.
Click on "Enlarge" on this photo. It looks to me like Felix's torso is closer. Like I said, they need to advance the frame just a bit further. Tarmoh got some bad advice from her handlers, and as much as USATF botched yet another one, I doubt they will bend over backwards to do her any favors.
Sheriff Andy Taylor wrote:
Coward of the County wrote:She should give up her relay spot too.
Coward.
No, sir, you should give up posting on this forum. How dare you cite a Kenny Rogers reference! Have you not read the forum rules? WeJo and RoJo will have the jackboots knocking on your door this evening and you will be thoroughly searched and flogged. Unless you know when to hold, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run.
First of all, I'd like to say this to Sheriff Andy Taylor: Sorry about your death. You were a good man.
Second, I'd bet the farm that Tarmoh is heading to court. She probably followed legal advice to skip the run-off.
I just can't envision any other scenario as to why she would not face Felix.
I completely agree, except i think it was a tie. I don't think she was treated unfairly except in the act that she was declared third without taking the time to observe the picture closely enough. She should feel robbed by her refusal to take that spot away from Felix via a run off.
cingulair wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that she'd rather give up her spot than compete for it. That is, as another poster said, just blatant cowardice. What does she have to lose by running? Does she have no faith in herself? Clearly doesn't deserve to go to the Olympics. Having said that, I think she won and did get effed over. But to just give up the spot because she feel wronged? Hard to believe.
theohiostate wrote:
Sheriff Andy Taylor wrote:No, sir, you should give up posting on this forum. How dare you cite a Kenny Rogers reference! Have you not read the forum rules? WeJo and RoJo will have the jackboots knocking on your door this evening and you will be thoroughly searched and flogged. Unless you know when to hold, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run.
First of all, I'd like to say this to Sheriff Andy Taylor: Sorry about your death. You were a good man.
Second, I'd bet the farm that Tarmoh is heading to court. She probably followed legal advice to skip the run-off.
I just can't envision any other scenario as to why she would not face Felix.
There is more to this than we're seeing. So far Tarmoh is not pursuing legal action, but I don't think that she's chickening out because she's afraid of racing or as a statement to stand up to USATF.
Who's pulling the strings here? Who's in the middle? The coach, Kersee.
Felix indicated that she wasn't so sure about the run off as late as Sunday. She's the star and they need to protect her--not so much that they'd be afraid that she'd get beat (maybe a bit of that), but that one or both could end up injured with an all out 100 after those rounds in the Trials.
Just another possibility.
A couple of things:
1) For those suggesting she sue, what do you think would be the cause of action, and what which would be the appropriate forum in which to hear it?
2) old coach man, don't project a single response onto Tarmoh. If it were ME, if I had been told that I won and I had taken a victory lap and celebrated a huge PR, and then had the rug pulled out from under me, I would be absolutely pissed that they had ever announced that I was the winner, and I would jump into a run-off any time, any place--especially BECAUSE I'd be pissed, and because I had just PR'd. "Depression" would be the opposite of my response to such an incident. Heck, I will race Felix right now, FOR Tarmoh! In fact, I would race Felix ANY time, ANY place--and I've got essentially nothing to gain from it, apart from seeing her backside, which would most certainly be slightly in front of me.
On second thought, that might be a rather significant thing to gain.
Go Felix!
OK I enlarged that picture and this is what I see. (1) Felix's torso is more square with the finish line and Tarmoh is more angled so more of Felix's torso is closer to the finish but both have a point of their torso touching at the same time. (2) Felix has slightly larger breasts which gave her the tie. The part of the torso over the finish line first was clearly the breast area.
Sagarin wrote:
In swimming, they do a swim-off. Moreover, there has been a precedent for an athlete being stripped of something they thought they had won in track, not related to drugs.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sports/2012/0702/Why-did-Jeneba-Tarmoh-pull-out-of-100-meter-runoff-videoClick on "Enlarge" on this photo. It looks to me like Felix's torso is closer. Like I said, they need to advance the frame just a bit further. Tarmoh got some bad advice from her handlers, and as much as USATF botched yet another one, I doubt they will bend over backwards to do her any favors.
I find it difficult to take you seriously when you can't even spell Tarmoh's name correctly.
fly a kite wrote:
Squilliam fancy-son wrote:They give the spot to the fastest runner, not the person who feels the worst.
They shouldn't be "giving" the spot to anyone - did Felix earn the spot? NO!
This just reinforces my opinion of Bobby Kersee (scum), who threw one expendable athlete (Tarboh) under the bus, for the glory of Felix. Tarboh should not have put into this position by anyone. Her race was last week when she placed third (initially alone). This whole affair just shows how second-rate USATF is as an organization. Heck I have more respect for the Canadian group (AC or whatever), and that is saying a lot!
This was such a missed opportunity to get exposure for Tarmoh and Track and Field in General. This race not only would have been in prime time but would have been re played on Sports Center etc.
The Reality is in 1 month this conversation will dissolve in the wind. There will be much bigger things to talk about like potential doping scandals etc.
cingulair wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that she'd rather give up her spot than compete for it. That is, as another poster said, just blatant cowardice. What does she have to lose by running? Does she have no faith in herself? Clearly doesn't deserve to go to the Olympics. Having said that, I think she won and did get effed over. But to just give up the spot because she feel wronged? Hard to believe.
I don't see how this is so hard for you to get. Think about it this way.
In four years, Rupp is going for the 5000/10,000 double at trials. At this point, he has been to multiple Olympics and world championships and competed all over the circuit. He knows his way around a USATF nationals in his sleep. The 10 is his better event of the two; if anything, his best success has been in the half and full marathon distance. He is all about strength.
You are also doubling in the 5000/10,000, although your better of the two is definitely in the 5000. You are more speed-based; 3000 would actually be your best event. You are You are at your first Trials meet ever.
You place third in the 5000, and are told you are on the Olympic team. You take a victory lap, do a press conference...OK, you know the rest of the story: turns out it was a tie! Crazy! Later in the meet, you get trounced by Rupp in the 10,000. Now he's on the team. You're not.
USATF decides it would be a fun idea for you to have a run-off.
SOUND FAIR?
Fair is irrelevant. Fair or not I would fight tooth and nail for my spot.
I would expect any competitor to do the same.
Now do you get it?
Sagarin wrote:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sports/2012/0702/Why-did-Jeneba-Tarmoh-pull-out-of-100-meter-runoff-videoClick on "Enlarge" on this photo. It looks to me like Felix's torso is closer. Like I said, they need to advance the frame just a bit further...
Advance the frame? You don't know how finish line cameras work, do you? The frames are all right there on that photo.
What happened to the coin flip? Did USATF give Tarmoh the ultimatum of run off or concede over these past few days? It isn't a bit fair. Bollocks actually. Tarmoh would've most certainly lost to Felix (quite honestly a stronger athlete) but she shouldn't have had to compete in the first place. A lot of my non-track fan mates were looking forward to this run off, but frankly it would've just been humiliating to Tarmoh. She doesn't deserve that.
pjb wrote:
Sagarin wrote:http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sports/2012/0702/Why-did-Jeneba-Tarmoh-pull-out-of-100-meter-runoff-videoClick on "Enlarge" on this photo. It looks to me like Felix's torso is closer. Like I said, they need to advance the frame just a bit further...
Advance the frame? You don't know how finish line cameras work, do you? The frames are all right there on that photo.
But don't they take multiple shots, such that we could get them coming through the line? As I said before, when enlarging that photo, I think an argument can be made that Felix actually FINISHED third as her full torso probably came across first.
I think Tarmoh had a 1% chance of beating Felix. I think she took the easy way out. I don't like it. I'm rooting for Felix all the way. She has the heart of a true competitor.
amen. thank you. glad someone else sees this. Tarmoh needs to find another career path as far as I'm concerned. "Just do it" hah. If I pulled strings at Nike she'd be off my roster.
Nawtyxes wrote:
Why the fluck do you race then? Never seen such an open act of cowardice