Manzano outkicks Centrowitz and Rupp!

Centrowitz had one of the slowest PRs in the field last year too. But that doesn't mean he is an overachiever.

The video of Mazano shows that he is blessed with great natural speed and when he puts everything together he may be capable of kicking with anyone in a championship type of race.

My comments are not meant as criticsm. He has had a great career and has been one of our top middle distance guys for 5 or 6 years. But he has had some races that showed flashes of brilliance that made me believe he had the potential to medal if he employed the right tactics.

it was sooo slow and ridiculous. indoor track is the arena football of track and field

newname wrote:

Shoebacca wrote:

Indoors isn't deep, but it is a bit odd to have our best 10k runner placing in the 1500.

He is also the fastest indoor 2-miler in American history, perfectly natural that he would be world class in the 1500.

And Gebrselassie won an indoor world 1500m title.

"He has had a great career and has been one of our top middle distance guys for 5 or 6 years. But he has had some races that showed flashes of brilliance that made me believe he had the potential to medal if he employed the right tactics."

You have just described the likely type of career that a clean runner would have.

A clean runner can't always perform their best, and there will be ups and downs, without PED's to smooth out the bumps of real life.

Good for Manzano.

Great so our national champion will get dropped in lap 4 by the field because he can't the pace like the three previous times at world class events.

Centro is done. His medal chances are going way down now.

Talent-wise, I don't think Manzano is in the top 3 of today's American milers.

I think Wheating, Lomong and Centrowitz have more ability.

So if Manzano even makes another American team, I think it will be a good achievement.

I base this off of Wheating and Lomong having faster PR's.

And Centro having good success at a young age who seems to have a lot more in him.

If you think Manzano has the most talent of the bunch, go ahead.

It's just an opinion.

I like all of these guys.

This will be the best US 1500m Trials ever.

And you just may have Lagat and Webb in the race to make it look that much more impressive.

nelsonm wrote:

Indoor means dick

No it doesn't. Otherwise phrases like "excuse me while I step "dick"...and " hey darlin', why don't you grab ahold of my "indoors" ...would make sense. :-)

Manzano should have done the throat slit as he finished.

Maybe so , Leo is dangerous with his kick and they let him in the race giving him a shot in which he took advantage of. Centro has much to learn yet as he not the only kicker out there , his future is bright. Rupp got a great blowout session which will only help him down the road for outdoors longer distances.

Your Hero wrote:

...I didn't see this 1500 but to be that close to guys like Centro and Manzano is very impressive.

Upon further review, it does not look like Manzano or Centro were straining at all at the finish line. Perhaps Rupp staying with them was not quite so impressive.

Your Hero wrote:

Your Hero wrote:

...I didn't see this 1500 but to be that close to guys like Centro and Manzano is very impressive.

Upon further review, it does not look like Manzano or Centro were straining at all at the finish line. Perhaps Rupp staying with them was not quite so impressive.

http://www.letsrun.com/photos/2012/usatfindoorsday2/imagepages/image5.php

ruppy looks like howdy doody

toro wrote:

Talent-wise, I don't think Manzano is in the top 3 of today's American milers.

I think Wheating, Lomong and Centrowitz have more ability.

So if Manzano even makes another American team, I think it will be a good achievement.

I base this off of Wheating and Lomong having faster PR's.

Let's compare the PRs of Lomong and Manzano for 800/1500/mile.

Lomong: 1:45.58/3:32.20/3:53.18

Manzano: 1:44.56/3:32.37/3:50.36

Yes, Lomong is slightly faster at 1500 but Manzano is quite a bit faster for the mile and 800. In fact, Mazano's 800 PR is the same as Wheatings' and faster than Jock or Andrews, who should both compete for a spot in the 800.

But I never compared Manzano to those other runners. I just stated my belief that he did not overachieve.

It is my opinion that between Manzano and Lomong, Manzano is the more talented. I also think he has a better chance for a medal because of his ability to kick. You disagree, and that's fine. I'm looking forward to see how it all plays out.

I'll end with the clip of Manzano out-kicking Lagat in England last summer.

I think Leo is under appreciated for his talents and accomplishments, but I appreciate your comments (is this letsrun? all sounds too nice).

He can be inconsistent, but seems to bring it in for the big races. But he continues to mature, I think we might see a medal out of him.

Centro is a great racer and fun to watch, but his PRs are way slower.

I'm cheering for all of them. But maybe more for Leo.

Did I mention he is the nicest guy?

I GUARANTEE that Miles Batty will win the Olympic Trials 1500. This guy can dust almost anyone in the latter stages of a race and has, by far, the least to lose, being just a college student going for broke. He will be the Centro of this year. Mark my words people, mark my words.

It's always hard to keep training through those early meets. Obviously, that is what Manzano did. As a pro, Manzano always seems to come on around championship time, and that's the way it should be done.

It's nice to have records and big victories earlier in the season, but this can sometimes lead to you leaving yourself vulnerable in your training for those bigger races towards the end of the season. Also, those records do take something out of your legs, which take a little time to recover.

So you show a clip of Manzano running Kiprop to the line.

You show a clip of him winning a mile against Lagat and Choge.

You lay out his impressive PR range from 800 - mile.

All this to show that he is an underachiever.

I made the overachiever comment earlier mostly to get people riled up but really because he has exceeded my expectations in what I thought he would accomplish in his career.

From 2006 to today, no American miler has been more consistant except for Lagat.

No arguing how good Lagat is.

I regret my use of the term underachiever. It’s really meaningless, but it also sometimes implies lack of effort, which is not at all what I intended to convey.

I showed the clips and PRs to demonstrate that Manzano has always had the talent to compete against the best in the world, and his success should not be that much of a surprise.

And I agree he has been consistently successful in his career. You can’t argue with an Olympic and 3 WC teams in 5 years.

I also agree with another poster that he has been underappreciated. He has always been overshadowed - first by Webb and Lagat, and more recently by Wheating, Centro, and Lagat.

At any rate, I don’t really have anything more to add on the topic.

toro wrote:

So you show a clip of Manzano running Kiprop to the line.

You show a clip of him winning a mile against Lagat and Choge.

You lay out his impressive PR range from 800 - mile.

All this to show that he is an underachiever.

I made the overachiever comment earlier mostly to get people riled up but really because he has exceeded my expectations in what I thought he would accomplish in his career.

From 2006 to today, no American miler has been more consistant except for Lagat.

No arguing how good Lagat is.

You serious? He is by far the most inconsistant American miler. He has two clutch races to make worlds, then doesn't come close to making the final. He gets beat by ~15 seconds by Kiprop one month, then almost runs him down the next. Super streaky.