forgetful wrote:
I think this shows that rupp is an even bigger threat at the trials than we thought
yea because not many people really care about him....i think it is funny that he is supposed to be this big star but he is always second best in his training group.....and he cried when solinsky beat him.
I run (haha) wrote:
Why is it that performance detracting things like falling during races seem to happen to Rupp. Not saying he isn't a great runner, but it always seems there this is some "thing" that happens during a good deal of his races that keeps him from running sensationally. An example is how his shoe came off in the NCAA 10k or 5k (dont remember which) final his senior year. For a runner of his caliber, why do these things happen? Most elite runners don't lose shoes in championship races, and most don't fall during half-marathons on pavement. Strange.
Rupp has lost one shoe his entire career (as compared to Fernandez who lost like 3 in one indoor season supposedly), he put the shoe back on and won the race. Not seeing your point here. As far as not falling in races, falling becomes a lot more common at the world class speeds than whatever your thinking of and used to running yourself.
Sjuan wrote:
BEST AMERICAN MARATHONERS OF ALL-TIME
1. Ryan Hall
2. Khalid Khannouchi
3. Meb Keflezighi
4. Frank Shorter
5. Bill Rodgers
How in the world does Ryan Hall get ahead of a man who broke his own world record (and beat Geb and Tergat head to head, and won 5 major marathons)?
What if Bernard Lagat magically shows up?
Why does everyone act like Hall has no speed? Hall ran a 4:01 mile in high school (which is what 3 seconds off the American record). What did Galen run the HS mile in?
What are the mile PR's of the upper-elite marathoners? I'll bet not many have gone under 4:00.
Granted Hall is doing marathon specific workouts, but speed is genetic and Hall definitely has great speed for a marathoner.
If the two are together after 20 miles, I'd easily take Hall to win.
Da_Runner wrote:
What did Galen run the HS mile in?
4:01
Da_Runner wrote:
Hall ran a 4:01 mile in high school (which is what 3 seconds off the American record).
6 seconds off Ryun, 8 seconds off Webb.
sjknmsnmsdj wrote:
Rupp has lost one shoe his entire career (as compared to Fernandez who lost like 3 in one indoor season supposedly), he put the shoe back on and won the race. Not seeing your point here. As far as not falling in races, falling becomes a lot more common at the world class speeds than whatever your thinking of and used to running yourself.
Don't compare Rupp to Fernandez-one is running at a highly-competitive world class level and one is running at a highly-competitive collegiate level. My point is, how often is it that guys like Geb lost shoes (or anyone else who is highly competitive in world-class events) AND have that person falling in a race that is on pavement. Rupp just seems to have the worst luck, or he has a knack for being clumsy and letting these things happen to hum. Funny enough, I have run a mile WELL under 4:36 seconds, which is the "world class speed" at which Rupp fell, and it was not overly difficult to stay on my feet.
I run (haha) wrote:
sjknmsnmsdj wrote:Rupp has lost one shoe his entire career (as compared to Fernandez who lost like 3 in one indoor season supposedly), he put the shoe back on and won the race. Not seeing your point here. As far as not falling in races, falling becomes a lot more common at the world class speeds than whatever your thinking of and used to running yourself.
Don't compare Rupp to Fernandez-one is running at a highly-competitive world class level and one is running at a highly-competitive collegiate level. My point is, how often is it that guys like Geb lost shoes (or anyone else who is highly competitive in world-class events) AND have that person falling in a race that is on pavement. Rupp just seems to have the worst luck, or he has a knack for being clumsy and letting these things happen to hum. Funny enough, I have run a mile WELL under 4:36 seconds, which is the "world class speed" at which Rupp fell, and it was not overly difficult to stay on my feet.
I think your points are valid, he hasn't done the greatest job of staying out of trouble... Perhaps because he is ALWAYS sitting on people.
That's said the roads in NYC have got to be some of the worst roads in the country to run a race on. There are way more cracks, potholes, manhole covers, sewer grates, etc and can be somewhat tricky for a rookie.
I run (haha) wrote:
Don't compare Rupp to Fernandez-one is running at a highly-competitive world class level and one is running at a highly-competitive collegiate level. My point is, how often is it that guys like Geb lost shoes (or anyone else who is highly competitive in world-class events) AND have that person falling in a race that is on pavement.
Gebremeskel lost his shoe and beat Farah in a 3k last year. Obviously falling/losing your shoe is pretty embarrassing but it's part of the sport. I don't really think it's a fault of the athlete when it happens, I'm sure Rupp or any other racer would prefer not tripping during their race.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
o.O wrote:Everyone claims that Gold is the most important thing for a runner to win to be considered "Greatest", but how many golds does Geb have?
Two in the Olympics and four in World Championships I think.
10K is not the marathon you dunce
http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/98-Galen-Rupp/video/478093-2011-NYC-Half-Marathon-Replaywonderer of things wrote:
Does any one have a link to a replay of the new york half where Rupp ran?
o.O wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Two in the Olympics and four in World Championships I think.
10K is not the marathon you dunce
I think a lot of people consider Geb the greatest distance runner of all time based on his entire record. I'm not aware of many who think he is the greatest marathoner of all time
Don't forget Galen is coached by Alberto who ran 2:09 in his debut marathon in New York 1980 taking down Bill Rodgers who had won 4 consecutive New York's and 3 consecutive Boston's at the time.
I run (haha) wrote:
Don't compare Rupp to Fernandez-one is running at a highly-competitive world class level and one is running at a highly-competitive collegiate level. My point is, how often is it that guys like Geb lost shoes (or anyone else who is highly competitive in world-class events) AND have that person falling in a race that is on pavement. Rupp just seems to have the worst luck, or he has a knack for being clumsy and letting these things happen to hum. Funny enough, I have run a mile WELL under 4:36 seconds, which is the "world class speed" at which Rupp fell, and it was not overly difficult to stay on my feet.
Moron. You have run ONE MILE (likely on a track) at that pace. It was probably a strung out, time trial type race for where you were dragged to your PR or were able to run in clear air. Galen, on the other hand, runs for SIX (PLUS) MILES, not always on a track, in a pack of 10-15 Kenyans and Ethiopians who are equal to or better than his WORLD CLASS ABILITY. It's not hard for most of us to run at 4:30 pace for a mile you dunce. Try to do it for 6 in a tight pack of ultra talented dudes trying to steal your paychecks from you and let me know how steady your legs are. He is not even close to the only guy who has had multiple falls. And he still has a ton of titles. It happens. Idiot.
Raptured wrote:
[quote]The Dingo wrote:
However, he hasn't run faster than 2:08:42 on any non-aided course since early '08, .
Twice you have said this, but didn't he run 2:08:04 in Chicago just last October? How is Chicago aided?
Let's not forget that the NYC half went out in 5:02, when it should have been more like a 4:35. That right there probably would have resulted in Mo, Geb, and Rupp breaking an hour. Granted, the half is a lot different from the marathon, but with this Rupp definitely has a shot at beating Hall if he really goes all out at OMT. Hall did break an hour once but that was quite a long time ago and he hasn't shown anything like that since. His Boston race was impressive but the conditions that day were more than ideal and he it's not like he was even in the top 3!
As far as Rupp's 26:48, that is flat out the most impressive achievement in US distance running history. However, it discourages me even more about Americans' ability on the world scene. Come on, he set an American record and got THIRD in the damn race, and got flat out destroyed on the last lap. That's the only thing holding him back, is being able to pound out a 54 when everything hurts. My advice to Salazar is to have him run 400m or 800m ALL OUT after every workout he does. Rupp's sprint speed is very good, he could probably break 11 in the hundred, but he just falls apart after 4600m or 9600m in a fast race. I'd like to see an interview with him about his plans for OTM.
GRupp wrote:
His Boston race was impressive... it's not like he was even in the top 3!
As far as Rupp's 26:48, that is flat out the most impressive achievement in US distance running history. However, it discourages me even more about Americans' ability on the world scene. Come on, he set an American record and got THIRD.
So 3rd for Rupp and it is the most impressive race in US history, but 4th for Hall behind the 2 fastest marathons in history abd you criticize for not even top-3... ??? Not logical.
What's wrong with you people. Let's hope they both run well.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
o.O wrote:10K is not the marathon you dunce
I think a lot of people consider Geb the greatest distance runner of all time based on his entire record. I'm not aware of many who think he is the greatest marathoner of all time
That was a good subject change for being wrong