that guy wrote:
Obviously Dunbar doesn't feel satisfied with where he is at in Portland and has every right to do what he feels is best for the short term and long term career.
And don't forget that Portland would have taken Dunbar's scholarship away if the situation were such that it was in their best interest to do so--i.e., he wasn't meeting expectations, or breaking teams rules, etc.
Why is everyone making a big deal about the whole cross country thing? Obviously it is 1/3 of his season, but Oregon will be a contender for the national title in Indoor and Outdoor as well. You don't see Portland in that position do you? Yeah Portland has come a long way in cross since him and Orsono but being part of the Hayward field atmosphere would be hard to resist. Every meet he will go to will have huge competition and names although he had that at Portland.
Orbit is correct, and if coach Connor was offered the UO job at double or triple his pay, he'd leave in a heartbeat and not have to sit out any years or semesters ... and he'd take that UO job, too.
Wondering in the West wrote:
Orbit is correct, and if coach Connor was offered the UO job at double or triple his pay, he'd leave in a heartbeat and not have to sit out any years or semesters ... and he'd take that UO job, too.
That doesn't support any stance in the debate at all. If Conner were to make that move, he would be given just as much (if not more) sh!t by the LRC community as Trevor has received.
Also I don't think many of you posters are aware of the in-state XC rivalry between UO and UP not only in competition, but also in recruiting. Just as Coach Conner says in the article, many of the kids offered full scholys to UP turn them down for partials or walk-on status at UO and after the recruiting visits the current members of the Pilots roster are acutely aware of who decided to go Duck over Pilot and this only fuels the fire between the two programs. Also given Portland's recent rise, the rivalry has become even more heated. So yes, if you're an out-of-stater and don't follow the weekly/daily fall articles covering the two squads, you might not comprehend how truly entrenched this battle is. Now given this, it is a pretty freaking big deal that one of the UP's own, Trevor Dunbar, arguably their "big score" as far as name recognition and making the Pilots known nationwide on the NCAA XC scene, is transferring to U of Oregon. This is an exaggeration, but it's like a big time football player leaving tOSU for Michigan.
Hey bro, Portland doesn't have any fans. Get over it and go find a life.
This is so wrong on so many different levels. First of all, only Portland really see's it as a rivalry. Trust me, Oregon does not see Portland as a rival - perhaps they should though..?
Portland is not on a recent rise, Portland has been damn good for the past decade.
Did you run for one of these two schools? Maybe something has changed..but knowing kids on both teams I see Portland with a bit of a chip on their shoulder...and that's about as much of a rivalry I see from any standpoint.
Wondering in the West wrote:
Orbit is correct, and if coach Connor was offered the UO job at double or triple his pay, he'd leave in a heartbeat and not have to sit out any years or semesters ... and he'd take that UO job, too.
Sports Illustrated had an article recently on this NCAA double standard:
"Double standard allows coaches to jump ship while holding college players hostage"
http://tinyurl.com/87xg73vMalcc wrote:
If Conner were to make that move, he would be given just as much (if not more) sh!t by the LRC community as Trevor has received.
I'm just saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander in situations like this. And that any collective criticism by the "LRC community" here would be equally fair or unfair in both cases.
Any time an athlete or coach chooses one school over another, or leaves one school for a perceived "better opportunity" somewhere else, he's going to disappoint folks and be accused of lacking integrity, etc. What it really boils down to in the end is whining.
I ran for Portland about 30 years ago, long before the Pilots' current success. I don't have anything personal against Trevor. I just think Portland supporters are tired of Oregon poaching other folks' athletes. Even when I was at Portland, our best runner transferred to Oregon the day before classes started in the fall, which really disrupted our season. Oregon has their own personnel issues this fall (i.e. Lukas), so what do they do? They poach to make up for recruiting failures. That's what irritates Portland supporters.
And, I got my Portland Alumni magazine in the mail last week about three days after Dunbar announced his transfer. There was a big feature on him in the magazine where he's saying how much he loves Portland and how thankful he was to be going to Portland. Granted the article was conceived and written before his final decision; still he must have had an idea that he was leaving at that time. So, the article kind of makes everyone look foolish, including Trevor. So Oregon's poaching habit and the Portland alumni magazine article are the two irritating factors here for me. I ran with Trevor's dad and mom at Portland, so I don't have any hard feelings and wish him the best. Just wish it could have been to any other school and wish that unfortunate article hadn't been printed.
Dunbar is right wrote:
...Who has Vin had under 14 minutes in the 5k at Oregon?
Answer: A guy from Maryland you may have heard of had a little success in Daegu.
FogRunner
Check the Marland guy's 5,000 times.
FogRunner
pilot old-timer wrote:
And, I got my Portland Alumni magazine in the mail last week about three days after Dunbar announced his transfer. There was a big feature on him in the magazine where he's saying how much he loves Portland and how thankful he was to be going to Portland. Granted the article was conceived and written before his final decision; still he must have had an idea that he was leaving at that time. So, the article kind of makes everyone look foolish, including Trevor. So Oregon's poaching habit and the Portland alumni magazine article are the two irritating factors here for me. I ran with Trevor's dad and mom at Portland, so I don't have any hard feelings and wish him the best. Just wish it could have been to any other school and wish that unfortunate article hadn't been printed.
Can you possibly mail this thing yo me or scan it and EMAIL it to me
ROBERTJOHNSON@LETSRUN.COM. it would be great to have in the week that was.
welllllllll wrote:
Unfortunately Andy Powell s headed to UVA and Vin doesn't do any of the person to person coaching unless you are like Wheating or Hasay,
Let's not make it seem so sparse as to who is "like Wheating". Oregon is loaded with talent, and Vin continues to coach a number of Ducks such as Greer and Fleet.
pilot old-timer wrote:
I ran for Portland about 30 years ago, long before the Pilots' current success. I don't have anything personal against Trevor. I just think Portland supporters are tired of Oregon poaching other folks' athletes. Even when I was at Portland, our best runner transferred to Oregon the day before classes started in the fall, which really disrupted our season. Oregon has their own personnel issues this fall (i.e. Lukas), so what do they do? They poach to make up for recruiting failures. That's what irritates Portland supporters.
And, I got my Portland Alumni magazine in the mail last week about three days after Dunbar announced his transfer. There was a big feature on him in the magazine where he's saying how much he loves Portland and how thankful he was to be going to Portland. Granted the article was conceived and written before his final decision; still he must have had an idea that he was leaving at that time. So, the article kind of makes everyone look foolish, including Trevor. So Oregon's poaching habit and the Portland alumni magazine article are the two irritating factors here for me. I ran with Trevor's dad and mom at Portland, so I don't have any hard feelings and wish him the best. Just wish it could have been to any other school and wish that unfortunate article hadn't been printed.
Don't get me wrong: I think your beef, specifically, is quite legitimate. And I also think it's things like this that make rivalries bitter and meaningful. Frankly, I'm surprised--no shocked--that Portland would give any athlete a release to go to Oregon.
"You wanna leave Portland and go to the Ducks? Great. But it's gonna cost you a year of eligibility. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, either..."
I just remembered, back in 9th grade--NINTH GRADE!--when I quit basketball to run track. My coach took it SO personally and got very pissed and gave me this lecture about how I was gonna be a quitter the rest of my life. And I was just a bench warmer!! That's part of why I quit in the first place. He was ridiculous, but like I said, someone's always gonna get pissed when you leave one thing to do another. No matter what level.
I agree with you orbitboy. I certainly wouldn't grant a release to Oregon. When I ran for the Pilots, Mike Johnson was coach and he took the hard-line approach, which is the route I would go. But, Coach Conner is a different sort--much more low key than the average college coach.
pilot old-timer wrote:
I agree with you orbitboy. I certainly wouldn't grant a release to Oregon. When I ran for the Pilots, Mike Johnson was coach and he took the hard-line approach, which is the route I would go. But, Coach Conner is a different sort--much more low key than the average college coach.
Here is the double standard: the guy who transferred 30 years ago had to sit out a year. Soon afterward Mike Johnson left for a better coaching position but he was able to coach immediately.
Please don't email Rojo that article. Nothing good will come from it.
Dunbar's article
http://issuu.com/universityofportland/docs/portland-magazine-winter-2011
go to page 7
bigbearslake wrote:
Please don't email Rojo that article. Nothing good will come from it.
Have to agree with this - brojos seem to prioritize manufacturing controversy/scandal over seeking out all sides of a story before wading in.
Probable candidates for Oregon head job when Vin finally leaves for a desk job somewhere (he is 61 years old):
1. Andy Powell
2. Robert Johnson
3. Dan Steele
4. Rob Conner
5. Pat Tyson
You say, "Conner?". It is not beyond imagination that he is letting Dunbar go so as to not screw up his own desire to have Nike's blessing as Oregon head coach down the line. Let's face it, the Oregon job is probably the highest paying and most desired in the country right now.