Ryan Hall Disappointing

The media machine? Are you kidding me or are you just a complete idiot. There is no media machine about Ryan Hall, the marathon or running in general compared to just about any other sport. You are either a complet fool or a complete tool.

"HYPE" - you must be joking and live in a very small world. The day that someone in this field actually understands the concept of marketing, will be the day when running will actually get more than a couple of hours of network TV per year. Hell, the marketing of this sport was vastly superior 30 years ago.

Go ask Bruce Jenner - by the way, where is he when you need him?

There are no revolutionary training methods. "Newer methods" refers to what Canova and Mosop are doing for the marathon. More racing is self explanatory, but I probably should have mentioned shorter distances.

Ideas of support are that Mosop won and Hall ran 2:08. Hall is currently much slower at 5k - half marathon than Mosop and it has been a long time since Hall has gone under 60 minutes in the half marathon. Hall needs to improve his ability at the shorter distances which will ultimately improve his marathon. Rod Dixon even told Hall this, he just meant more than running a road mile.

I'm disappointed that you weren't out there with him.

I can't be sure, but he looked to be overstriding a bit.

This is so obvious, and I can't understand why everyone else doesn't see it. Can Hall break 13 or 27? No, and most likely he never will. The guys he's racing in the marathon are 20+ seconds faster than him at 5K!

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There are no revolutionary training methods. "Newer methods" refers to what Canova and Mosop are doing for the marathon. More racing is self explanatory, but I probably should have mentioned shorter distances.

Ideas of support are that Mosop won and Hall ran 2:08. Hall is currently much slower at 5k - half marathon than Mosop and it has been a long time since Hall has gone under 60 minutes in the half marathon. Hall needs to improve his ability at the shorter distances which will ultimately improve his marathon. Rod Dixon even told Hall this, he just meant more than running a road mile.

Hall was stupid and naive.

What did Rod run for the Marathon?

I thought Ryan ran very well, it's still racing and anything can happen. The kid ran gusty, get off his case!

He ran a pretty good time if you consider the weather. The dude only ran 3 minutes faster on a cool day with a tailwind. This may have been about an equivalent run. The dude is a very good marathoner, just not quite as good as the best few guys in the world. No shame in that.

Hall's run 2:06, staying with Geb most of itand 2:08 at the tough Boston course. By all accounts, he was on cruise control at the trials, running 2:09 on a tougher course. His only races slower than 2:08 were on tough courses. A 'normal' Hall would've finished 2nd at Chicago. But Greg Meyer said Hall wasn't himself. Some of you want a bunch of disclaimers to preface ('Not hating on Hall... 2:08 still good by most standards..) so you can feel warm and fuzzy.

The weather? 55F to start, almost no wind, flat course, and pack running fast, but doable pace that Hall would want. If 60F+ later on is the worst of it, then Hall had great conditions- better than 95% of marathons. I live in Chicago, and it was great running weather.

put it in perspective wrote:

Run4God16 wrote:

Ryan Hall I'm Disappointed.

That's ok. I'm disappointed with you and all the other bashers who can't run any faster and show us how it's done.

It never fails...I knew I'd see someone use the old "he's faster than you so you can't voice your opinion "argument""...if one says they are faster then it works...otherwise it does not...weak!!!!

[quote]DaveW wrote:

Go ask Bruce Jenner - by the way, where is he when you need him?[/quote)

Ummmm... I believe he is with the Kardashians?

he's obviously the second best American marathoner ever, by time and consistency (not obviously by world or American records or hardware) and the best American born marathoner by those standards. So, a 2:08 on a somewhat warm day and fifth is solid. he may not deliver the greatness we wanted without doing a serious outdoor track campaign and getting back into touch with the speed that got him to 59:43.

Life is full of disappointments, princess.

Seriously, what the heck do people want??? Hall has now run the 5 fastest times ever by an American-born runner. Not good enough for you? Sheesh!

Cutting this down to just American-born runners is a bit sobering.

Take out the performances on aided courses and it's even more shocking:

That's right, only five native-born American men have broken 2:10 on a legal course a total of eight times in history. Hall is clearly the class of the nation. This was not a disappointing run.

Hall could run under 2 hours if he would just fix his stride angle. Since he won't listen to this advice, I'll let all of you Letsrunners in on the secret so you can run under 2 hours at your next marathon:

http://www.somaxsports.com/wanjiru.html

Greg Meyer said Hall didn't look himself. Other guys in the top 5 PR'd- some by 2 mins. Go email Meyer to quit telling the truth & hating.

Someone noted that the temperature was 55 degrees, or about 12 Celcius, at the start. But news reports - specifically the NYT - say that it was 64 degrees, or just about 18 Celcius. Now I'm just a superannuated former 2:32 duffer from Vancouver, but in my books 12 degrees would be okay for racing whereas 18 degrees would be a problem. Especially if it was sunny and the mercury sliding higher through the race. I don't think Mosop was bearable today, unless you hired someone to shoot him at the 23 mile mark or something, so it's a bit over-reaching to claim that Hall's performance was disappointing. Especially if it was 64 degrees at the start. As for the notion that he needs more speed, he acknowledged that himself at the presser when he said he needed to get his half marathon time down. Doing 20 x 1km at a pace slower than AR marathon pace when you want to break the AR doesn't seem like fast enough or hard enough work. Says the 2:32 guy.