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I rode in on a donkey wrote:
Wow...someone's a fan of pointless semantics.
Sorry, I just prefer accurate and descriptive language over meaningless phrases.
the gecko wrote:
Grains are acid-forming...especially for those of us running alot who need to try to reduce acidity in our bodies caused by training.
Speaking of where do get this shit?
Food wrote:
the gecko wrote:Grains are acid-forming...especially for those of us running alot who need to try to reduce acidity in our bodies caused by training.
Speaking of where do get this shit?
Not sure exactly what you're asking. I'm guessing you meant "speaking of which, where do you get this shit?"
I got "this shit" from the following sources:
"The Complete Guide to Running - How to Be a Champion from 9 to 90" by Earl Fee. Table on page 290, and text on pages 289-292. He cites "Aihara, H., "Acid and Alkaline", Ohsawa Macrobiotic Foundation, Oroville, California, 1986.
"The Palio Diet for Athletes" by Joe Friel, MS and Loren Cordain, PhD.. Table 4.4 on page 57, which says it is reprinted from the "Journal of the Amerian Dietetic Association", V95(7), Thomas Remer and Friedrich Manz, "Potential renal acid load of foods and its influence on urine pH," pp. 791-97, 1995.
Hope that helps you as you do your research of this shit.
Whale
Lean meat, tastes like venison, omega 3s. And definitely no factory farming issues...
Honey
the only truly complete protein would be human, as in cannibalism, but that doesn't qualify as "food".
I don't suppose the next closest thing - chimpanzees - would either by Western definitions, though they are bush meat in some cultures.
Whale isn't lean. You can get lean cuts from parts of a whale, just as you can from a cow, but it is certainly not lean on the whole. Dolphins would provide better meat, and they aren't endangered.
Oh no you dint wrote:
Leaves of any color are classified as vegetable.
According to your theory, fruit is also classified as a vegetable.
Brian wrote:
Of my 3500 calorie a day diet (which keeps me at 152 at 6'4" at 80 mpw) perhaps as much as 1000 are from cashews and almonds. Any food that is calorie poor is more or less wasted and a large enough serving of vegetables ro provide calories will have an ass exploding amount of fiber.
Green drinks contain very little fiber and are very easy to digest.
Cashews are surrounded by an extremely acidic gel. They cannot be eaten without first being processed. I like cashews, but humans did not evolve to survive on them.
What do you feel the beneficial qualities are of cashews and almonds besides calories?
the gecko wrote:
I got "this shit" from the following sources.......
Thanks for the sources, but that ain't a hill of beans.
The high, HIGH majority of world class endurance athletes in history have subsisted on diets high in all those evil acid creating carbs. Gee, just think, if they had only talked to you and your sources they could have done, much, much better. Like Bekele and Geb. Maybe they would have run sub 26:00. What a waste of talent....
A few things. Those sources are clearly very biased and not scientific. They have taken real science and spun it to make it seem as if acidity is problem. This clear from your assertion that it will "reduce acidity in our bodies." I think you mean "in our bladders." So, some foods change the pH of urine. So what? If you're are going to suggest this bad for us, as you did in your first post, you have a few intellectual obligations. Explain to me, with real science, how eating grain changes the acidity "in our bodies?" And if it does just change the urine's acidity, you need to show that acidic urine is bad. How does acidic urine hurt us? (Or perhaps acidic urine is way of keeping our bodies from getting acidic at all?).I'd also like to hear how exercise changes the acidity of "our bodies." Still just urine? And how is this bad?You may have all these answers (and if they are true I really do want to know; I can accept when I am wrong)but a few lay sources twisting the science to their world view is not convincing. If you're gonna make the claim you have to back it up. I'm all ears.
the gecko wrote:
Food wrote:Speaking of where do get this shit?
Not sure exactly what you're asking. I'm guessing you meant "speaking of which, where do you get this shit?"
I got "this shit" from the following sources:
"The Complete Guide to Running - How to Be a Champion from 9 to 90" by Earl Fee. Table on page 290, and text on pages 289-292. He cites "Aihara, H., "Acid and Alkaline", Ohsawa Macrobiotic Foundation, Oroville, California, 1986.
"The Palio Diet for Athletes" by Joe Friel, MS and Loren Cordain, PhD.. Table 4.4 on page 57, which says it is reprinted from the "Journal of the Amerian Dietetic Association", V95(7), Thomas Remer and Friedrich Manz, "Potential renal acid load of foods and its influence on urine pH," pp. 791-97, 1995.
Hope that helps you as you do your research of this shit.
complete nutrition wrote:
Whale isn't lean. You can get lean cuts from parts of a whale, just as you can from a cow, but it is certainly not lean on the whole. Dolphins would provide better meat, and they aren't endangered.
Minke Whales, a species commonly hunted by Japan and Iceland has a conservation status of "Least Concern"
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Just wanted to add that blood pH is very tightly regulated. You couldn't change your blood pH if you tried. Your urinary system is actually one the mechanisms utilized to maintain it.
Question as to the healthiest food makes little or no sense. It is the entire diet that matters and therefore the rest of your diet will determine which single food would be the best addition.
Food wrote:
A few things. Those sources are clearly very biased and not scientific. They have taken real science and spun it to make it seem as if acidity is problem. This clear from your assertion that it will "reduce acidity in our bodies." I think you mean "in our bladders."
So, some foods change the pH of urine. So what? If you're are going to suggest this bad for us, as you did in your first post, you have a few intellectual obligations. Explain to me, with real science, how eating grain changes the acidity "in our bodies?" And if it does just change the urine's acidity, you need to show that acidic urine is bad. How does acidic urine hurt us? (Or perhaps acidic urine is way of keeping our bodies from getting acidic at all?).
I'd also like to hear how exercise changes the acidity of "our bodies." Still just urine? And how is this bad?
You may have all these answers (and if they are true I really do want to know; I can accept when I am wrong)but a few lay sources twisting the science to their world view is not convincing. If you're gonna make the claim you have to back it up. I'm all ears.
Food, I'm no expert. Just read the books, thought it made enough sense to try. So far, so good. Earl Fee (the first book) is an old guy that has figured out how to age well enough to set tons of age-group world records. Joe Friel coaches many triathletes and claims to have gotten very good results switching them to a diet that emphasizes fruits, vegetables, lean meats, nuts, seeds, and limits grains and dairy. He talks about trying it himself first when he was still competing and being able to increase his training load from 10 hours per week to 16 as a result of the diet change. I think these guys have a vested interest in figuring out what WORKS, not twisting science to their worldview, as you claim.
No, I didn't mean "in our bladders". From my limited understanding, the blood is definitely involved. I obviously am not the scientist that did the research. I suggest you pick up either book and form your own opinion. There is NO WAY I am going to be able to convince you here. I am not knowledgeable enough, nor am I going to take the time, and you seem to have formed many unsupported conclusions already.
Better yet, read the book(s), and then try it yourself. See how you feel. That's what I'm doing. And so far I feel better, and am able to run more often and feel more recovered. I expect that will lead to improved performances. That is the true test imo. Let the scientists & you argue about it, and do all the studies they want. Didn't scientists conclude at some point that the bumblebee shouldn't be able to fly?
Yes, my understanding (which is quite limited) is that alkaline-forming foods help reduce the overall acidity in your body, not just your bladder.
Here is one part from the text: "during exercise, body fluids shift increasingly toward an acidic state. If this acidic state following exercise is allowed to persist for some period of time, the risk of nitrogen and calcium loss is greatly increased. The reason for this is that the body attempts to reduce the acidity by releasing minerals into the blood and other body fluids that have a net alkaline-enhancing effect, thus counteracting the increased acidity. Calcium from the bones and nitrogen from the muscles meet this need. The problem is that in neutralizing the acid this way, we give up valuable structural resources. You're essentially peeing off bone and muscle as the acidity of your blood stays high...." goes on to say that fruits and vegetables are the only foods with an alkaline-enhancing effect in the body, so having them soon after exercise not only helps recovery and replenish gylcogen stores, but also MAY POTENTIALLY spare bone and muslce.
Friel is legitimate. I think he has good experience and does his homework (based on his other books I've read), so I was willing to read this book he coauthored. After reading it, it made sense, so I was willing to give it a try.
Now, take your open mind and go do some research. I'll continue doing mine.
Yeah, ventilation is pretty important, too. I think the other guy is confused about blood pH and the mechanisms we use maintain homeostasis.
ammagamma wrote:
Just wanted to add that blood pH is very tightly regulated. You couldn't change your blood pH if you tried. Your urinary system is actually one the mechanisms utilized to maintain it.
LetsRunna wrote:
If you have time, the China study is definitely a great read about nutrition, makes a really good case for a plant based diet
It's a complete fraud. The actual study on which the book was "based" shows associations essentially OPPOSITE to what T. Colin Campbell claimed.
Your body does use calcium from bones (among other things) to maintain blood pH. Your body does this so effectively that that your blood pH will never stray far from 7.4.
That doesn't mean you need to eat "alkaline-forming foods" to prevent your body from being in an "acidic state." It just means you need enough calcium in your diet.
Source: I'm a real live scientist!
I understand where you are coming from. What you are reading is rubbish. And you clearly do not have the background evaluate the claims. You are experiencing the placebo effect. "Go and try it" is what we call pseudoscience. (I have some oceanfront property in Kansas, I'd like you to try, if you think that is an effective way to test claims).
I'd recommend to you to read two lay books that might shine some light on the scientific method:
Shermer, Michael. Why people believe weird things.
Sagan, Carl. The Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark.
Science is process and not a gut feeling and your suggestion I am not open minded is silly. I know a lot about physiology. You said something that was counter to everything I have studied and learned. I questioned your sources. You gave them to me. I looked up the scientific articles you cited (yes, I actually did, and learned a bunch of stuff, none of which supported your assertion, however)and they did not support the thesis. I also looked up other articles pertaining to the alkaline diet phenomenon and it is clearly not supported by the science.
If you think that diet will change your blood pH, you clearly are easy to convince and have done no real research other reading only the side that support you. As one other person posted, blood pH is very tightly controlled. This is a most basic physiological concept, that you, oddly, seem perfectly comfortable denying.
You are man with one source and no background. You are not doing research, you are being converted. Praise the lord.