JAMAICA 37.04 WR Thoughts....

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Answer the questions!

Sprint Geezer wrote:

Carter is the dirtiest runner in track, maybe worse to me than Jeter.

Worse than Justin Gatlin coming off a 4 year suspension? Seems to me you've got blinders on. It's poetic justice that the American team fell all over the track, they shouldn't have been racing with Gatlin to begin with. It shows the level of desperation they've reached.

I believe there to be lasting effects from 'roid use, and that anybody testing positive therefor should receive a lifetime ban.

Not only that, I believe that in such a case, all officially recorded performances of that athlete should be expunged from the official record. ALL.

Including relay performances. Relays are national teams, and it should be the nation that ensures athlete cleanliness, and the nation that is stripped of the performance.

Gatlin and Chambers would not be running right now if I had my way.

Sprint Geezer wrote:

Carter is the dirtiest runner in track, maybe worse to me than Jeter. I knew it right after his reaction to his other-worldly 9.78 in Rieti. If you don't believe it, YOU explain to me his performance in the 100m final. I DO NOT trust that guy one inch. You know why courts of law are arranged as they are? So that the trier of fact can observe the witness' demeanor, to help judge their credibility. Carter is dirty as sin.

Ironic that you should bring up courts of law and such, Mr. Judge-and-Jury.

No one CARES whether you trust Carter. It's irrelevant. Case dismissed!

Sprint Geezer wrote:

I believe there to be lasting effects from 'roid use, and that anybody testing positive therefor should receive a lifetime ban.

Not only that, I believe that in such a case, all officially recorded performances of that athlete should be expunged from the official record. ALL.

Including relay performances. Relays are national teams, and it should be the nation that ensures athlete cleanliness, and the nation that is stripped of the performance.

Gatlin and Chambers would not be running right now if I had my way.

Good God man! You'd wipe out the USA's entire athletic history.

lol, so this is the resident sprint guru on lets run, freaking pathetic.

The "never failed a test" argument is a refuge of the willfully blind. Using that as a defense only illustrates bias and lack of anything better to say.

Marion Jones wasn't caught due to a failed drug test, and of course Lance Armstrong uses the never failed a test line as his mantra.

The notion that if everyone is doping and the field is level then the Jamaicans are still simply better than everyone else is interesting. The counterpoint to that is that some nations/programs are simply better than others at cheating. East Germany was a machine, and their athletes were clearly not on a level field even with others who were cheating.

Likewise the Chinese women who quickly emerged and just as quickly faded. We could very well be witnessing the results of a similar such program in Jamaica.

Genetics is most certainly not the cause. Jamaicans clearly have favorable DNA for sprinting, but so do tens of millions of other people of slave trade influenced West African descent in the Western Hemisphere.

Which athlete is going to dope in the middle of the freak World Championships and if your going to do it why out do it during your individual event.

the harsh truth wrote:

Jamaicans clearly have favorable DNA for sprinting, but so do tens of millions of other people of slave trade influenced West African descent in the Western Hemisphere.

which genes are those exactly?

Mentioning Jeter and Bolt in the same sentence should disqualify you from commenting on the sport ever again.

All rational and reasonable data points to the fact that Bolt must be clean.

When an ‘ordinary’ runner, no matter how eminent in the sport, decide to take drugs to enhance their performance, they obviously also take into account the consequences should they get caught.

And what are they?

So far, from what we’ve seen, a period of shame, or not, depending on the athlete - and up to a two year ban.

They can handle that.

But Bolt….

He (and his coach) know full well their would be no comeback for him were he tested positive.

It would be one of the most sensational (or infamous) sports scandals in history, if not the most.

What he’d face would be a life of shame, most certainly having to live in some country other than his beloved Jamaica - and facing disgust and revulsion wherever he showed his face again.

Think he could live with that?

No - he knows too well the consequences for him personally should the subject even crop up.

Apart from Bolt himself - those who would be supplying the drugs would also know full well the consequences - in Jamaica?

They and their family would have to flee that country post-haste.

Alf Shrubb wrote:

But Bolt….

He (and his coach) know full well their would be no comeback for him were he tested positive.

It would be one of the most sensational (or infamous) sports scandals in history, if not the most.

Take your blinders off. Bolt (and his coach) know he can dope without consequence. The IAAF would never allow their cash cow to test positive.

What a bunch of bunk, Alf.

He and his coach are already rich, they could live wherever they wished.

And those "supplying" the drugs don't give a crap what happens as long as they get paid. Get real.

Only one poster has even tried to answer even one question, with the wilful blindness answer.

It's telling that none of you have any explanations.

Consider this: even IF Carter was clean, regardless of what happened in the relay, he was a scumbag for having thrown the 100m. Same for Frater.

And I couldn't care less if half of American track records were wiped out--also I couldn't care less about all the British, German, Chinese, and Russian records that would be wiped out.

And still no answers to the questions.

Be a superstar at the risk of shame and scandal, or be one among many and and never be famous at all....

You say that "rational and reasonable data" points to Bolt being clean, but you aren't using "data", you are using your opinion.

You could just as well substitute the name Barry Bonds into your argument. He wanted the home records and he was willing to do anything to get them. Those are among the most hallowed records in sports, and to taint them would bring shame, scandal, disgust, revulsion.... yet he did. Every cheater makes that choice, and the higher they fly, the harder they stand to fall.

Saying Bolt wouldn't cheat because of the potential shame of it is ludicrous. Once a step down that path is taken, there is no turning back.

The guy could actually be clean and just be that good. If he is dirty, he very will might still be winning even if he wasn't. However, the "data" lead to skepticism, and the arguments posted here in support of his innocence are weak.

Like I said before, neither Bolt nor Lemaitre will EVER test positive, unless they do something egregious to really piss off someone critical on a personal level.

Money talks, and people around the world will pay more to see Bolt and Lemaitre go head-to-head than they will to see Collins v Dix.

Might as well go with it, the tide is too strong.

But I can still call the Jamaican squad scumbags based on their actions and comportment. Just because I have to accept it doesn't mean I have to like it.

The problem unique to Bolt is that he is an unbelievable athlete, even clean.

If everybody were 100% clean, he would stand a good shot at winning the 100, and would almost certainly win the 200.

If he was clean but others were using and ran, say, a 9.80-9.85 corrected in the 100m, he would have a hard time matching it. If they went sub-9.8 corrected, he'd need to use to be competitive.

Powell was running 9.77-9.74 before Bolt started the 100. That was a VERY high bar for Bolt to address (Gay as well). Note that they have, "miraculously", both "risen to the challenge".

People like Jeter or Carter or Gatlin, however, would get beaten handily.

That's why Bolt is a unique problem. I think that he's honestly capable of mid-high 9.7x in his clean state, and high 9.6x, like Bailey, if he was clean, got his best start, ran a perfect race, and had a max allowable wind.

Considering that I think he's the best anyway, what does it matter if he IS using drugs? So he wins in a mind-blowing 9.58 instead of 9.70. He still WINS, only by more. I'm not affected, the real suckers are those coming after Bolt in history and having to measure up to his WR's.

Still no explanations.

Crater cramped up 10 meters into the 100 finals, Frater was in a stacked semi with a huge negative wind and never made the finals.

Steroids can enhance, but they can't create someone like Bolt. He is clean. He is also a freak of nature. Whether people think he is doping or is irrelevant as he continues to set and break (his own) world records.

So the rhetorical point is, if you think Bolt is doping, then juice up your best, grow him from a freakin test-tube or whatever and put him on the track. He'll still get smoked like a cheap cigar. End of story!

Or perhaps its a massive coverup! The biggest sports scandal of all time in ANY sport!

WADA officials working on the inside coverup Bolt's drug usage and label him as clean!

All the while Bolt is happily injecting roids, taking EPO, rubbing test cream, using growth hormone.