Ritz's 10 by mile workout

When I started this thread, I didn't realize the workout was done at altitude. It's definitely more impressive for Ritz than I first thought.

It sounds good. But I don't see why Salazar has to again trump himself by stating, "it would be like 4:22 pace at sea level."

You are starting to loath the Salazar over-projection, something which he is consistently guilty of.

Truth Inspector wrote:

You are starting to loath the Salazar over-projection, something which he is consistently guilty of.

Except with Alan Webb this past summer.

Yeah. like how he "overprojected" Webb this last season.It must suck to be smarter than Salazar but no one to listen to you.Maybe it should be called the "Oregon Overproject"

Truth Inspector wrote:

It sounds good. But I don't see why Salazar has to again trump himself by stating, "it would be like 4:22 pace at sea level."

You are starting to loath the Salazar over-projection, something which he is consistently guilty of.

The Salazar quote is dead on.

Ritz sure has a lot of haters here, but it is perfectly reasonable to believe that Ritz can run faster on this course than Salazar ever did. Can he win the race? Absolutely.

[/quote]I can't believe that I just spent three minutes typing a response to this post. I deleted it, because I know it would fall on deaf ears. Suffice it to say that the quoted post shows a complete lack of understanding of the most basic principles of logic and also seems to indicate that the poster has, at best, a very tenuous grasp on reality when it comes to people's distance running abilities.[/quote]

+1

Mrr82 wrote:

someone else wrote:Maybe so, but that's a really poor argument. You can't gauge what a 15 year old beginner can do by what the elites can do. Your line of reasoning seems to be "If the elites can do it, anyone can" which is backwards from common sense.

Poor argument? Did you read what YOU wrote. HORRIBLE POST. He said NOTHING of the sort. He said if elites can run this type of pace over and over and over again, any 6 minute miler can do it ONCE. HUUUUGEEE difference than saying if an elite can do it, anyone can. You are backwards from common sense!

I probably shoudn't bother to respond to you, but if you can't see the obvious flaws in his reasoning, then you're not too bright yourself, my friend.

I think zero gravity gets it exactly right. And I would remind everyone that Ritz ran a so-so 10,000 in the US Championships last year, then started working out with AS for six weeks, and then knocked out 27:22 in hot weather in Berlin, and then 12:56 ten days after that. I see this as being analogous to Ritz's Great North run followed by six weeks of great training. Also, getting fifth in this field would be excellent; indeed, I don't think people are talking enough about how good this field is. There could easily be more guys under 2:10 than in any other NYCM.

zero gravity wrote:

AlSal is basically telling us that he thinks that Ritz is capable of 2:08, maybe 2:07 on this course (since he himself ran 2:08). The thing is that Geb is capable of 2:06, maybe 2:05 on it, and likely will drag a few guys (including Meb) with him. Fifth in this field would be very good for Ritz.

So, Ritzenheim ran 10x1 miles - with two minutes rest - at the same pace that Geb recently ran 13.1x1 miles, continuously?

Geb must be terrified.

Why even talk about this workout?

Geb recently ran a 1/2 marathon at 5,000 feet elevation?

Ritz must be trerrified.

Well, 10x1 at 4:32 at altitude, along with 20 at 4:51 indicate a guy who may be able to run 2:08:45 in NY, and since only two Americans have ever run under that time in any marathon, and since 2:09+ almost always wins the NYCM, that's something of a big deal. I'm certain Geb is not terrified, but I'm fairly sure he won't underestimate a 12:56 and 60 minute runner who appears to be fit.

stupid letsrunners wrote:

So, Ritzenheim ran 10x1 miles - with two minutes rest - at the same pace that Geb recently ran 13.1x1 miles, continuously?

Geb must be terrified.

Why even talk about this workout?

someone else wrote:I probably shoudn't bother to respond to you, but if you can't see the obvious flaws in his reasoning, then you're not too bright yourself, my friend.

I wasn't addressing whether he was right or wrong (which of course you failed to grasp as well), just that your post was even worse than his. You failed to grasp anything he wrote, regardless of if it was right or wrong. You changed it into something completely different.

If you can't see what's wrong with what you wrote, then you are not too bright yourself, my friend.

So, Ritzenheim ran 10x1 miles - with two minutes rest - at the same pace that Geb recently ran 13.1x1 miles, continuously?

Geb must be terrified.

Why even talk about this workout?

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Ryan Hall ran an 18 mile tempo at 5:00 pace at ~7000 feet just before NY last year. JD Calculator equates this to 4:42 pace at sea level, and Hall felt he far underperformed with 2:10.

That's pretty telling. Everyone is making a big deal of the mile repeats, but the one that stood out to me was the 20 mile tempo at 4:51 pace. Ryan Hall and Dathan both seem to have trouble walking out onto the edge too soon into marathon training.

I understand that you need to push limits in training to reach the levels of guys like Geb, Wanjiru, etc, but I read 20 mile tempo at faster than marathon pace, and I get a little nervous. I hope that Ritz didn't just leave his race out there somewhere on the roads of New Mexico.

3200guy wrote:

It's impressive, but don't people remember Ritz supposedly ran a 10 mile time trial in 45:03?

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Seeing as how the American record for 10 miles (Greg Meyer) is 46:13, 45:03 is pretty impressive

Ritz has never had trouble running marathon pace...or faster, he has had trouble running the entire marathon distance...hopefully that will change tomorrow.

He did this workout in Albuquerque at almost a mile high in elevation.. Damn impressive!

Bamiton wrote:

He did this workout in Albuquerque at almost a mile high in elevation.. Damn impressive!

New York is at sea level. Who cares what workouts you can do at altitude - it's what you can so at sea level in a race that matters.