Thank you for your sage opinion. You remember a time she stepped off the track in the middle of a tough race? Unless you know why, best keep your thoughts to yourself, snakedoctor. Talk about dumb statements...... And yeah, she has broken 15. And your name is funny, too.
diceman cometh wrote:
Snakedoctor09 wrote:she is exactly what running needs, a chick with the balls to hammer it home
This is probably the dumbest statement I've seen on here in a while. Too bad she won't be within 15 seconds of the big American dogs when it matters (both in Europe and in the '11 and '12 national championships). It boggles the mind how weak the field is when you remove the 3 or 4 US women capable of breaking 15 mins.
Fleshman loves to talk about how tough she is... well I will never forget the race from a couple of years ago when she flat out quit (stepped off of the track) during the middle of a relatively tough pace at US nationals. Sorry kids- you want tough? I'll take Goucher, Begley, Flanagan, or even Donahue any day of the week over Fleshman in the toughness department.
my dad use to say "dumber than owl shit"
Hey there, Delilah.
w0w wrote:
It boggles the mind how weak the field is when you remove the 3 or 4 US women capable of breaking 15 mins.
You remove the top 4 runners and the field gets weaker??? Holy shit!
The problem is that the top American 5k women aren't even 5k specialists. Goucher, Flanagan, Begley all would have spanked her, but they focus on 10k and up. So, in defense of Dice, it's not like you're taking out the top 4 runners... it's just that the best Americans don't even focus on that distance. And I agree wholeheartedly- the state of US womens distance is very thin. Then again, that's not exactly a revelation.
starmiler wrote:
Thank you for your sage opinion. You remember a time she stepped off the track in the middle of a tough race? Unless you know why, best keep your thoughts to yourself, snakedoctor. Talk about dumb statements...... And yeah, she has broken 15. And your name is funny, too.
First off, try to follow the chain of posts. My name is Diceman, not Snakedoctor.
Second, the aforementioned race was a national championships a few years ago (was it '07?) where she just flat out quit in the middle. No injury, no sickness, no excuse- just stopped. She started running a few seconds later, but it was one of the most bizarre spectacles I've ever seen. Even more bizarre was how she started talking about how tough she was after THAT VERY RACE. That's where all this 'balls' talk started. I found it funny and strange then, and I still find it amusing.
starmiler wrote:
Thank you for your sage opinion. You remember a time she stepped off the track in the middle of a tough race? Unless you know why, best keep your thoughts to yourself, snakedoctor. Talk about dumb statements...... And yeah, she has broken 15. And your name is funny, too.
Funny, there seems to be a relative backlash against her. I must admit that I am one of those who wish ms. Fleshman would stop talking about how ballsy she is. I mean, it's one thing when Mottram spanks some of the top runners in the world and runs 8:03 or whatever it was... and it's another when Fleshman (who, as you point out yourself, has broken 15) beats a very diluted field at a meaningless national championships.
Enough already, Lauren- we get it: you think you're some kind of badass.
I kind of get the feeling there are about 2 (at most) people who really have a problem with how she ran or what she said.
Every top runner has a bad day and maybe even a dropout day. You have to judge runners based on a career, not a day. Keep in mind, these are people, not machines. They have personal lives too. Just because they are fast doesn't mean life is great every day.
I don't know what fleshman had going on back then (if anything) but I doubt you do either.
Shalane, Kara and Begley have all had some lack luster performances over the years but you'd be a fool to bring up a bad day every time they race.
People complaining about the time, ummm that was one of the fastest races 1500 and up for men or women. It was a championship race in hot, humid weather. Jenny B got straight up dropped.
People complaining about US distance women, who are you compairing them too? In the 800 - 10K we are about as deep as it gets outside of E. Africa. Don't count the Russians because their continual postitive test and test skippings cast suspsicion on any of their regime marks.
making a move like this with 600 meters is nothing different than a sit and kick move.
Not that I see anything wrong with that but I don't see the difference with what Rupp or Tergat did.
To make a move like she did she had to feel pretty good. Not what I would qualify as a "balls move" but rather a nice strategic move to go just before the expected last lap move.
I do believe she was not talking about herself when making the "balls " Statement.
But for all that are impressed with the move, again nothing different than the typical sit and kick move.
Except they were already going at a pace that was stretching her very thin given the circumstances.
It was damn hot and humid during that race and she thru it down when she probably was wondering if she could even hang on.
The many kicks you are referring to are people who are probably thinking how much longer do I have to wait before I can finally kick. Lauren was more likely thinking, how much longer can I handle the pace, but then she started kicking.
Very different scenario.
I would have to disagree. she wasn't stretched very thin if she was able to accelerate like she did.
She had a lot more left than you think.
She didn't just pick up the pace she left everyone around her and some. It would be balls if she made that same move with 4 to 3 laps to go but with 600m that was perfect execution according to what she believed she could hold.
she never pushed the pace until that move.
Well done! but with just 600m to go that's more a "sit and kick" move than a "Balls" move to me!
By the way, That's the way I like to race so I approve.
It's all relative, she has been out of it for a while and didn't know if that move would take her home. For her it was a risk and she took it. She also said she felt terrible the last 200. I look at it as a bold move 600 out and hanging on the last 200. Considering she had a sub 15:00/ sub 4:00 gal in the race, it took some guts.
Rupp has made drives from a long way out but they were often moves more than kicks since he was able to cruise in at the end. A kick to me is something that accelerates to the line. A move is more of a risk which you hope gets you to the line first, and you hope nobody else can handle it.
As far as being stretched thin, what I mean is, everything in her was telling her that the pace was hard and as much as she could handle, like anyone who is redlining in a distance race. Part of that is mental and 99% of runners succomb to it. A lot of times it actually feels better to just go, but most of you is telling you not to, that you can't handle it. Just like jumping off a cliff into water. The fear is worse than the actual experience. But if you do go the doubts will still be there, and it takes guts/balls NOT to give into it.
cv4 wrote:
For all Lauren fans, new and old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m474JNTLKnQ0"39
at 0"35... kara goucher's ace? perhaps?
a** check? wrote:
cv4 wrote:For all Lauren fans, new and old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m474JNTLKnQ0"39
at 0"35... kara goucher's ace? perhaps?
kinda looks like it could be... adam can you confirm?
Is there video of the race out there somewhere? Thanks.
As you said it's all relative. but Ballsy runners don't lose their balls from one week to another.
Last week she ran a perfect tactical race. With just over one lap to go she felt great as opposed to "...everything in her was telling her that the pace was hard and as much as she could handle...". Feeling so great was the only way she was able to put such a move on the rest of the field.
It worked well and it was great to watch. But it was not a BALLSY performance or move.
Lauren is the opposite of a ballsy runner it is what she would want to be considered maybe because of her numerous DNFs.Lauren is best when she is the underdog she does not handle pressure well and if things don't go as planned in her race she panics and tends to doubt herself.
Don't get me wrong she is a great runner but lets give credit where credits is due. She won last week because she is good and because she felt great near the end of the race(just as she had hoped for) then she made a Kicker's move NOT a ballsy move.
She didn't lose her balls this week....She never had them to begin with.
Lauren is our baby girl and we will always love her dearly. She went to Canyon Country High School and ran as a kid in So Cal meets. Each time we saw Lauren at the L.A. indoors, Mt Sac, Home Depot, etc. we cheered for her. I was so happy to see her become the 2010 US Natl 5K Champion. We will cheer for Lauren again and again.
Looks like Caster Semenyas will be the one running with balls now.
If NYRR and BAA let that doper Lance Armstrong compete, then why shouldn't the IAAF let Semenya compete ?