Lukas Verzbikas 3:56 DH Mile

5th sub-4 high schooler after Webb?

Like I said. I ran around 5:23 in a time trial a week ago (yes, I know I am slow) and then 5:17 on this course yesterday. It's possible I ran worse than the prior week but 5:47 to 5:57 worse. That's 20 to 30 seconds off what I did in a time trial. Like I said I'd say the hill helped between by to ten seconds, maybe a little more. No way was it 30 to 40 seconds help.

Coach Dunbar wrote:

Great time as a 17 yr old Sophomore in H.S.

Why is he 17 and only a soph?

p.n. wrote:

I have been letting a lot of stuff slide by in recent years, but this has *got* to stop! The saying is:

"The proof [that is, the *test*] of the pudding is in the eating."

"The proof is in the pudding" is just nonsensical.

What if I'm eating lobster, instead of pudding; how does that prove the pudding? Your saying would have to caveat that the proof of the pudding is in the eating of the pudding, and that's just too much of a mouthful. On the other hand, the proof of the pudding's quality does in fact lie in the pudding itself--in fact, the saying 'the proof is in the pudding' is a direct critique of your less carefully phrased version, because it points out that the proof of the pudding can only be measured by the pudding itself in and of itself. "The proof is in the pudding" is not only not nonsensical, nor is it even sensical, it makes a farce of your supposed high-road critique of its nonsensicality. Let'sUseSomeThought.com, you fools.

he didn't win the money:

**Only the fastest qualifying time by one amateur runner/each gender will be awarded the bounty proceeds. Proceeds will be forwarded to the racer by registered mail after the race.

I'm just glad he got in a race before New York, fast miles require "tune-up" races. Not sure if a road mile is optimal for that, but maybe he couldn't find an open track race with good comp.

Rebecca Donaghue won the women's in 4:34, which is about what I would expect from her on the track... doesn't seem like a super-fast course somehow...

I would contend that the slight downhill course is voided by the fact that he is running on the road and on flats (instead of mid-d spikes). The track returns more energy on each step.

If this kid takes it from the gun @ adidas GP and goes after it, I foresee all the other kids hanging on and there is a possibility of MULTIPLE sub 4s. Oh boy.

If its the same Jacob Austin, the guy who got 7th raced at D3 nationals a few days ago. He ran 3:51 in the 1500 this year.

the downhill wasn't that significant. there were also so slight uphills (if i remember correctly)

first one after webb

I would kill for some splits from this race.

it was chip timed and there were clocks up every quarter mile but no matts for the chip to get everyone's time at each split. that would have been cool though. still possible someone got them. I do know they were at 1:57 at the half which was before any downhill and had a slight uphill in it

I know we have a few smart people reading these boards. Given a series of elevation points on a course, it seems like it should be possible to compare the energy requirements to run a race as compared to a completely flat race.

I've been out of school for too long to remember the physics for figuring this out, but I was thinking of some type of integration or rough approximation based on an elevation curve.

You could even break it down by mile & pace saying mile 1 is 4% slower than a flat mile, so a 5:14 mile would equivalent to a flat 5:00 mile. Similarly, a net downhill mile might be 2% faster, so a 4:53 would be equivalent to a 5:00 mile.

The reason I think integration might be required is because elevation is not a straight line. There are ups & downs in each mile that need to be accounted for.

If someone can outline an algorithm for this, I might be willing to work up a website that would take elevation data from mapmyrun.com or similar.

The first cut would be a simple approximation based on terrain, but later maybe energy equations (work, energy, power?) could be used to refine the algorithms.

if it helps the course's website has a map of the course using google maps that shows the elevation. would that help?

This downhill mile is just like LV's workout a couple of weeks ago in that they clearly indicates he is in no less than 4:07 shape right now. Btw, someone at the race said LV hit the halfway mark under 2 minutes and that the halfway is 'net' flat.

This was incredible - But weird!

If you look at the photos of the race and see him there at the finish, that hill behind him looks pretty damn big to me! This is a tremendous confidence booster for him, but how real is it? He will get his "honest chance" to prove it coming up very soon!

He started school a year late so he should be a junior (he very forthcoming with this and knows he older than most sophomores). I think he's going to graduate a year early as well. So, his junior year will really be his senior year.

4runner wrote:

Coach Dunbar wrote:

Great time as a 17 yr old Sophomore in H.S.

Why is he 17 and only a soph?