I watched the whole race and didn't see Solinsky sit once.
I watched the whole race and didn't see Solinsky sit once.
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
nope. apparently this has already been talked about? i couldnt find it anywhere recent.
im excited that an american broke 27 but its obvious that rupp is in better shape and once he is in a race with someone who will run WITH him and not BEHIND him its clear that he'll go under 27 too. enjoy the piggybacked american record while it lasts solinsky.
For feck's sake, you think drafting is a "piggyback"??? You're so naiive it's not funny. Rupp was sitting behind the rabbits for most of the race, so what makes you think he would have gone so much faster?
Bill Bowerman lookin in wrote:
Wow, you really don't get it. You have obviously never been remotely near the circumstance that Rupp was in Saturday.
Nobody leads the last lap or 800 when they are going all out, they are simply kicking. Please tell me you understand this.
Is this board largely made up of high school JV types?
Furthermore, WHERE Rupp led is where nobody wants to. Not in any 10K but in any fast 10K. Do you honestly not know why?
Lastly, just stop with the Solinsky helped him run faster. That is the opposite of helping someone run faster. What solinsky did is what makes the leaders fall apart at the end, and that is what Rupp did.
My dear god there are some inexperienced fools who post on here.
Never? No one who leads for the last 800 is EVER running their hardest... You have got to be kidding, race strategy is more than just who leads the most. If the guy is doing everything he can to hold on to the one in front and decides to unleash his fullest effort in the last two laps, you say there is no way he is running all out? You must know absolutely nothing about racing because it's a lot more complicated than that... douchebag.
Why are Americans so caught up in "who is doing the work" and who is not? I think all runners are. And if Rupp didn't like the tactics, he could always speed up or slow down.
That's one thing I like about the Kenyans and Ethiopians, they're not caught up in who is doing this so-called work. Whenever a good mark is set by an American, the question of who is doing the work always is brought up. WTF?
I've watched Lindgren, Pre, Rono, Kimwoumbwa, Chapa, various Kenyans, Webb, Rupp, Solinsky, Teeg, etc., all race. Each time, each guy was "working" hard.
Such an American mantra on who is doing the work. The better question is who is doing the winning?
Bill Bowerman lookin in wrote:
Wow, you really don't get it. You have obviously never been remotely near the circumstance that Rupp was in Saturday.
Nobody leads the last lap or 800 when they are going all out, they are simply kicking. Please tell me you understand this.
Is this board largely made up of high school JV types?
Furthermore, WHERE Rupp led is where nobody wants to. Not in any 10K but in any fast 10K. Do you honestly not know why?
Lastly, just stop with the Solinsky helped him run faster. That is the opposite of helping someone run faster. What solinsky did is what makes the leaders fall apart at the end, and that is what Rupp did.
My dear god there are some inexperienced fools who post on here.
The poor baby. I suppose you wanted Chris Solinsky to hold Rupp's hand instead of passing him when he needed to go?
I really think you have it backwards because YOU are the one who looks like an inexperienced fool. When someone passes me in the end, that triggers my instinct to FOLLOW them so I can WIN the RACE. Notice the caps, those are important words. I suppose you wanted Chris to play fair and not go all out at the end to help Rupp? If so, guess who is the high school JV runner. Yeah, it's you.
I think the top four guys should have held hands and gone for a 4 way intentional tie.
3 decades wrote:I think the top four guys should have held hands and gone for a 4 way intentional tie
. . . rotating positions so the guy on the outside didn't have to do too much work.
I doubt Rupp is very dissatisfied with his race.
Side note - Rupp's PR is now faster than Salazars.
Take that, Coach.
So what
solinski didn't think he'd run that well as he did. he let rupp lead knowing rupp was the better 10k runner. rupp thought so too. rupp anticipated this day for a long day. i saw rupp at brutus hamilton licking his lips eyeballing the people on the track from the dark under the patio awaiting his 5k. nike didn't bring a huge filming crew to bh. they brought the crew to pj tho. rupp wanted the ar. nike played the running media by having ken goe slip in teasers about rupp planning the 10k at hayward. all along nike wanted it at stanford for the media attention. at stanford things took a turn and rupp poooofed out and others passed him. rupp gave up the lead. in the end nike wins with solinski ar'ing. that's business. who'd a thunk it. not even those guys could have predicted what happened. i got to see it all up close only a few feet from the cast of characters at times. i seen many wr's before but this one i'll remember.
Musiker wrote:
Of course he was aware that he sat on Rupp, but he led when it counted. It's not like he was going to just sit there until the last 2 meters and then take an extra step and nag the win. He fought for that win by racing smart (which isn't necessarily sit and kick in the last 200). Racing smart is whatever works best for you to get a fast time, regardless of what the other guy runs. Chris knew he needed to go in that last 900 meters, and that got him an impressive performance. Besides, it's not like sitting on Rupp is going to eliminate the last 23 laps of running. Chris had to work hard just to stay up there with the leaders, and THEN pull off a major kick. It shows that he is tremendously strong and able to handle a fast kick.
Also, can you not just appreciate a sub-27 for what it is? Jeez, what does a guy need to do to run a "good" sub-27 in your eyes? Rupp was sitting on the leaders for 20 laps, so how is that any different than what Chris did, except for a few extra laps of Rupp leading. What effing difference does it make? EVERYONE in that lead pack was running AR pace until the last 2 laps, it's not like it was a slow, tactical race where Solinsky sat on him. The whole pack was working to run that pace, so it's not like being behind someone was really going to save them THAT much. Simply running behind someone will not turn a closing 2:05 into a 1:55. If you believe that, you are really gullible and probably very stupid.
led when it counts? you cant say that the middle of the race is not important. rupp pushed the pace when the rabbits fell off. im not saying that the closing isnt important either but dont pretend like its by far the most important.
i really do appreciate the record. having an american go under 27 is huge and im really proud. it just seemed like rupp wanted the record, set up the race for the record, and then got left in the dust by solinsky.
it wasnt just "simply running behind somone" that made the difference between solinky's 1:55 close and rupps 2:05 close.
- solinksy blew by rupp. he knew he couldnt catch him or win. demoralizing.
- the entire stadium was going crazy, yelling solinsky's name. everyone forgot about rupp.
maybe rupp could have closed that fast if solinsky hadnt blown by him and he had the crowd roaring for him instead. running is very mental.
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
Musiker wrote:Of course he was aware that he sat on Rupp, but he led when it counted. It's not like he was going to just sit there until the last 2 meters and then take an extra step and nag the win. He fought for that win by racing smart (which isn't necessarily sit and kick in the last 200). Racing smart is whatever works best for you to get a fast time, regardless of what the other guy runs. Chris knew he needed to go in that last 900 meters, and that got him an impressive performance. Besides, it's not like sitting on Rupp is going to eliminate the last 23 laps of running. Chris had to work hard just to stay up there with the leaders, and THEN pull off a major kick. It shows that he is tremendously strong and able to handle a fast kick.
Also, can you not just appreciate a sub-27 for what it is? Jeez, what does a guy need to do to run a "good" sub-27 in your eyes? Rupp was sitting on the leaders for 20 laps, so how is that any different than what Chris did, except for a few extra laps of Rupp leading. What effing difference does it make? EVERYONE in that lead pack was running AR pace until the last 2 laps, it's not like it was a slow, tactical race where Solinsky sat on him. The whole pack was working to run that pace, so it's not like being behind someone was really going to save them THAT much. Simply running behind someone will not turn a closing 2:05 into a 1:55. If you believe that, you are really gullible and probably very stupid.
led when it counts? you cant say that the middle of the race is not important. rupp pushed the pace when the rabbits fell off. im not saying that the closing isnt important either but dont pretend like its by far the most important.
i really do appreciate the record. having an american go under 27 is huge and im really proud. it just seemed like rupp wanted the record, set up the race for the record, and then got left in the dust by solinsky.
it wasnt just "simply running behind somone" that made the difference between solinky's 1:55 close and rupps 2:05 close.
- solinksy blew by rupp. he knew he couldnt catch him or win. demoralizing.
- the entire stadium was going crazy, yelling solinsky's name. everyone forgot about rupp.
maybe rupp could have closed that fast if solinsky hadnt blown by him and he had the crowd roaring for him instead. running is very mental.
Wow, "running is very mental" is your explanation for how Rupp could have dropped 10 seconds off his last 800 "if only people had cheered for him." You are so full of shit. There have been many cases in which the guy in front was being cheered on and the guy behind puts in an amazing kick to win. I have also been in a situation like this. I was leading a very slow 1600 in high school, and decided to take off with 800 to go. One guy caught up to me and "blew by me" so to speak with 500 to go, but I held on to him for the last 400m and finally pulled even and "blew by him" in the last 40m. Don't tell me Rupp couldn't hang with Solinsky just because he wasn't being cheered for. If he had it, he would have gone because he knew the race wasn't over, but he just couldn't handle it. By the way, psyching out a runner is part of the race. That's strategy. You don't come up on them slowly so they still think they have a chance. If you pass, you pass with the intent of dropping them because, big suprise, racing is about dropping people and running them into the ground, not making sure they stay with you as long as possible.
One last question, how many track races over 400m have you raced in your entire life?
Didn't Rupp make Ritzenhein do all the work at last years USATF Nationals 10k, only to blow by him with like 800 to go?
Don't you think Rupp's tactics were naieve? Just like your posts?
Wondering in the West wrote:
Why are Americans so caught up in "who is doing the work" and who is not? I think all runners are. And if Rupp didn't like the tactics, he could always speed up or slow down.
That's one thing I like about the Kenyans and Ethiopians, they're not caught up in who is doing this so-called work. Whenever a good mark is set by an American, the question of who is doing the work always is brought up. WTF?
I've watched Lindgren, Pre, Rono, Kimwoumbwa, Chapa, various Kenyans, Webb, Rupp, Solinsky, Teeg, etc., all race. Each time, each guy was "working" hard.
Such an American mantra on who is doing the work. The better question is who is doing the winning?
Pretty clear you never watched Geb or Bekele sit on somebody waiting for the last lap to pounce and beat them like a $20 whore.
Coach D wrote:
What a crock of shit. Rupp didn't lead at all until 18 minutes into the race. Didn't ANY of you actually watch the tape?
And to put it bluntly, in a race between a 3:39 guy and a 3:35 guy, don't bet on the 3:39 guy. Rupp simply doesn't have the wheels to contend for a medal, and in a year or two might not even make the US team (Solinsky, Chelanga, Ritz). Solinsky can sit on Rupp any time he wants to, just like Andrews can with Wheating.
Typical Oregon whine.
I'm going to go ahead and explain what an itiot you are by tearing apart your post.
If what you say is true (and I'll go into why it's not) than how do you explain indoor nationals/world qualifiers in the 3K a few weeks back? I mean surely a 3:37 (chris is a 3:37 guy NOT 3:35) guy who was behind a 3:39 would win right? I'm mean you can bet on that right? Or how about the only time Rupp and solinsky met at 5K? Hmmmm, seems like the 3:39 guy came out ahead of a 3:37 guy then too.
And what of the time when Rupp was outkicking a 3:37 guy at his own distance like Pac-10's and regionals last year. That guy went to indoor worlds in the 1500. And how about when Rupp actually did race a 3:35 guy (ulrey) and outkicked him at his distance in the DMR. Coach D, you are asleep at the wheel bud.
On another note, only a moron refers to the 1500 PR of a 5K-10K specialist like the time is set in stone WHEN IT WAS SET AT AN NCAA REGIONAL MEET AND WAS ROUNDING OUT 8000 METERS OF RACING, and compares that to a Pro who has been racing 1500-5K in the best meets in the U.S. and Europe over the past few years. That like most of your posts Coach D shows your complete ignorance.
If you want a better indicator of their ability over 1500 meters look to the indoor mile where Solinsky came from behind Rupp and beat him 3:55-3:56 before Rupp came back in part 2 of his workout, a 7:51 3K win. Then Rupp finished his workout. A few weeks later Rupp outkicked Solinsky over 3K.
As far as you discounting the amount of time Rupp led. You are a joker. I guarantee you never ran a 10K on the track and certainly not one where you personally were able to keep it on PR pace and certainly not while 3 guys sat on your ass the whole time. No, you're an armchair nobody with no frame of reference.
Pace-leading that part of the race is by FAR the hardest part. Jesus, Solinsky acknowlegded this but I'm sure he wouldn't know about that right?
[quote]Coach D wrote:
What a crock of shit. Rupp didn't lead at all until 18 minutes into the race. Didn't ANY of you actually watch the tape? quote]
Rupp took the lead at 17:34 into the race. Solinsky took the lead at 24:53 or 7 minutes and 19 seconds later.
In case others of you didn't watch the race...
Rabbits led for 17:34.
Rupp led for 7:19.
Solinsky led for 2:07.
Hope this helps.
Hmmm...from what little I saw Solinsky wasn't carried by anyone (he ran the full 10,000 meters & you didn't, nor did I ).
Great strategy.
Bannister used this same strategy at the Empire Games mile running behind Landy the whole way until he kicked by him with about 100 meters to go.
All's fair.....
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
why does no one else see this??? galen would be the american record holder right now if solinsky had led for the first 23 laps.
someone please prove me wrong so i can be as excited as everyone else about solinksy being this fast. because after watching the stanford race i still think rupp is better.
No way Rupp would have closed in 1:56 even if he drafted off of Solinsky. Solinsky did have an advantage only in that he wasn't going for a record so he didn't care if the pace lagged, Rupp did care. Therefore, when the pace started slowing Rupp knew he had to take the lead if he wanted a shot at the record.