grand slam wrote:
rudisha does wrote:RA's "modern day contemporaries" have better leg speed than Coe. Look at Rudisha and Kaki.
David Rudisha ran 45.5 for an open 400 in Feb. 2010 and is just 21 years old! He just crushed Coe's 800m record from 1979 at Bislett. Kaki is just 20 years old, too and he beat Coe's record at Bislett, too.
I would say that BOTH of these runners will surpass Coe's PB of 1:41.73 and also have better 400 speed than Coe.
Lol!
You think breaking a 31 year old record by less than 0.3 is worthy of the word "crushed"!
Rudisha & Kaki had each other to push them over the second lap, Coe had no one within 30m. You don't think the Oslo track now might be a little faster than it was in the late 70's? Of course it's quicker, probably by a couple of tenths each lap at least. It's laughable that because they've run faster than someone 31 years ago, who most probably would have run sub 1:41.0 with the faster tracks, better pacing and more competition that the current crop have, that they must have faster 400m speed. Yes, Rudisha has, but not by much, and that doesn't mean he has a better "kick" in an 800m race. Coe's speed endurance would be superior.
There is no stats on Kaki running as fast as Coe at 400m. He would appear to be an 800/1500 type.
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if both do surpass Coe's fastest 800 time, probably later this season when it reaches its peak in August. However, Coe also ran his 1:41 in early June, like these two. If they get quicker as the season progresses then that only underlines the fact that Coe too would have run faster than 1:41.7 later that same season had he: - 1) the motivation to break a time that was already out of reach of the rest of the world; 2) Had enough fast paced opportunities to do so and not chased the Mile record as well.
Johnny Gray had faster 400m pb than Coe, that doesn't mean he could out kick him off any pace. To do that he'd have needed 3:30 1500 ability as well.
Interesting point about the tracks and pacemakers being better today.
You really think that the Oslo track is one-tenth of a second per lap faster? This sounds like an argument that one could make in the Roger Bannister days.
The late 1970's and 1980's must have had a heck of a lot of REALLY talented runners.
Look at these all-time lists:
Men's 800m - numbers 2, 3 and 6 all time were all run in the 1980's
Women's 800m - numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 10 all-time were all run in the 1980's
Very odd how the late 1970's and early 1980's had so many great 800 runners with all the crappy tracks and pacemakers. I wonder what the reasoning could be? And why would the women be so dominant? Better training?
And what do you think Kratochvílová or Olizarenko could have run for 800 in 2010 on better tracks with better pacemakers? Or Koch for 400?