Ivy Coaching

As far as Ivey league goes, I'd give my recomendation for RoJo and Cornell. Based on how they train and what Bruce has done, I think there training program is top notch.

One thing that I always find funny is how people put down where other people train. I mean does it really matter? I remember reading how Toshiko(spelling?) Seko ran almost all of his mileage on a 2k loop. While in High School last year I ran almost all of my mileage on a 1.5mile loop. I may be wrong, but I don't think that because the scenery is pretty your going to run faster. Just my two cents

Why is everyone wasting so much time discussing Columbia and Cornell when everyone knows that Dartmouth is the NY Yankees of Ivy Distance. They dominate!

sjm1368 wrote:

As far as Ivey league goes, I'd give my recomendation for RoJo and Cornell. Based on how they train and what Bruce has done, I think there training program is top notch.

One thing that I always find funny is how people put down where other people train. I mean does it really matter? I remember reading how Toshiko(spelling?) Seko ran almost all of his mileage on a 2k loop. While in High School last year I ran almost all of my mileage on a 1.5mile loop. I may be wrong, but I don't think that because the scenery is pretty your going to run faster. Just my two cents

Are you Steve Magness? If so that's a great recommendation.

Do you know Rojo or something?

How's your running going? Good luck I heard you ran a good DMR.

i'm trying to be as unbiased as i can here.

cornell- very solid md program under rojo and has a very young xc team that is under construction and will be more of a factor in a few years. great environment to train as well

brown- making a big move into the ivy distance scene winning heps and has some very solid runners. decent training environment

columbia- building a really solid md and distance program and producing some solid studs like sundell. training does seem much more of a hindrance and more difficult than other ivies but they still get it done. young but good coaching

harvard- produces a lot of random studs but hasn't really come together as a team to produce anything. good training environment

dartmouth- great coaching, great environment to train and has consistently been the top distance program. weak in the md area

yale- definately turning their once shaky program into a solid md and distance team. not so great training environment.

penn- not so good training environment and shaky distance squad but has put together a very solid md squad in the past and has produced some real studs

princeton- great recruits, not so great development, ok training environment, not so great coaching. still produce top notch xc team as well as very very powerful md squads each year.

Princeton is one of my top choices. What's wrong with their coaching? The coach seems to really know what he's doing to me. I am definitely taking your comment with a grain of salt (as I would anyone's, so no offense) because you might think he doesn't know what he's doing while I might think he has wonderful methods.

Wejo, no problem with you supporting your brother, but since he's a college coach you should be a little more careful in endorsing his program to a potential recruit (or your alma mater). The NCAA is quite picky about that, although they're only really interested in football and basketball I suspect. ;)

That's why I only suggested he contact the coaches or current students.

Best wishes,

Goood Coaching?

Find Highschool PRs of runners...find what they're running now...

Granted, this might not be totally accurate (injuries, alcoholics, loss-of-focusers) but in general you'll see trends....

Check the Princeton guys....

It seems like the Princeton coach is much more of a salesman than a coach. He's rediculously convincing in person and on the phone yet he doesn't seem to deliver in the recruiting process and with his runners. There are many instances where he made promises to top runners which were not fulfilled on his part. I think very highly of the Princeton program and of the atheltes who run there however I do believe there is a great deal of wasted talent there.

ivy stud wrote:

It seems like the Princeton coach is much more of a salesman than a coach. He's rediculously convincing in person and on the phone yet he doesn't seem to deliver in the recruiting process and with his runners. There are many instances where he made promises to top runners which were not fulfilled on his part. I think very highly of the Princeton program and of the atheltes who run there however I do believe there is a great deal of wasted talent there.

Given such unsubstantiated comments I think Wejo's statement is relevant:

"But that's besides the point. In case you all haven't learned you need to be suspicious of anonymous posts. Everyone has their own agenda."

Hobey Baker wrote:

Goood Coaching?

Find Highschool PRs of runners...find what they're running now...

Granted, this might not be totally accurate (injuries, alcoholics, loss-of-focusers) but in general you'll see trends....

Check the Princeton guys....

WHen you do the checking, you'll find that there are plenty of 9:30/4:25 guys that end of running much faster than they ever suspected. Every team will have a number of guys who don't pan out, but there is no trend in this particular case.

The Princeton guys do not get hammered into the ground, another consideration if you're planning to continue running after college.

Finally, there are gorgeous places to run - battlefield, Institute Woods, Prettybrook, towpath - most of which are soft surface.

[quote]PUCC wrote:

[quote]Hobey Baker wrote:

WHen you do the checking, you'll find that there are plenty of 9:30/4:25 guys that end of running much faster than they ever suspected. Every team will have a number of guys who don't pan out, but there is no trend in this particular case.

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Look let's cut to the chase. Everyone knows that princeton has by far the most talent on its campus in the league and yet they didn't win in track last year or xc this year. Period end of story. Their senior class was ranked top 5 recruiting class in the country by track and field news.

How many footlocker finalists do they have on their xc roster? I think at least 3 (ludwig, stern, colangelo, didn't that one dude get expelled or it would be 4) and they somehow finished 4th or 5th in the league in xc.

So those are the facts. Does that mean someone shouldn't go to school there? No. It's a damn good school obviously and some guys have still found a way to be successful. I knew all this and would have gone there had I been admitted as i'm arrogant and know I'll be good no matter who is coaching me.

[quote]ivyleaguer'07 wrote:

Look let's cut to the chase. Everyone knows that princeton has by far the most talent on its campus in the league and yet they didn't win in track last year or xc this year. Period end of story. [quote]

You neglect to mention how well the team ran at the XC regional meet this past fall, rebounding from their dismal HEPS performance (when the runners - not the coaches - failed to show up.) Or the team's success in previous years, when they won somehting like 10 HEPS titles in a row.

One meet - or two - are not enough to render a judgment.

There are simply too many success stories - Mike Baird, 9:40 in HS, running 4:02/8:02, or Mike Spence, with similar HS times, going 8:45 in the steeple, or Scott Anderson, a 4:20 guy in HS, going 3:42, or Paul Morrison blossoming into a 13:49 guy, or Chris Banks going from 9:15 in HS to 29:15, or Jon Bell developing into a 14:05 guy.

Although Cornell and Dartmouth have great running trails they are covered by snow 4 months of the year. All the Ivy?s face weather challenges but Cornell and Dartmouth have significantly worse training environments.

i know someone said that the ivys accept walk-ons for track, howbout for XC? Yale and Brown specifically.

it's pretty difficult to make it onto the actual brown men's roster as a walk-on. they're very particular about maintaining their title ix quotas. if you're decent and willing to work hard, though, you'll be able to train with the team and perhaps get on the roster at a later time.

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To reply to your warped sense of ivy league athletics:

Since you obviously have never been an ivy league athlete, let me put some things in perspective for you. During my undergrad years at Princeton, I was very disciplined with my running and my academics. There were many early mornings, many late nights, and many social events missed. Do I regret any of it? Not a chance. Before you knock something that you have no experience in, why don't you try to run a high mileage week, combined with a full course-load and thesis work, and if you're a senior, the job hunt. In fact, talk to ANY college athlete who balances a rigorous academic schedule with high-level training and they'll tell you the same thing.

Think before you speak...you might want to try it sometime.

what about walking on at yale for XC and track? does anyone know about that

...instead of asking random people on a messageboard. Who knows, maybe then you won't even be a "walk-on."