Can Ritzenhein hold 3K - 5K - 10K - Marathon American Records by Fall?

edasdsfsf wrote:

I agree that Flagpole just got lucky.

With that said, I never disagreed with you, Flagpole, I thought Ritz could break the 5k AR too. It's not like you were the only person in the entire world that believed this. I just didn't care enough to whine and draw attention to myself with these predictions.

I'm happy that you were finally right, but....who cares? His accomplishment isn't about you.

1) It wasn't lucky. It also wasn't MY victory. I saw a guy who was better than all the others before him and correctly called a 5,000 AR for him...I've also called the 10,000 AR for him too. It's his for the taking.

2) Dude, I never said I was the only one who believed he would do it. Some here said so and agreed with me...good for them. We were the minority though. And, it's not like people here just simply said, "he doesn't have the speed to do it". The responses were, "You guys are idiots. You know nothing about distance running. Quit sniffing Ritz's jock"...crap like that. Now, you never saw me calling any of THEM idiots. They were just wrong, and I was right. A person doesn't run 12:56 by LUCK, so Ritz wasn't lucky to run that time, and I wasn't lucky calling for him to do it. I didn't say that Hall would do that or Goucher or Broe or Dobson any of the other people that were thrown up as better than Ritz. Not luck brother...observation and knowledge of distance running...that's what lead me to correctly call for him to break Kennedy's AR in the 5,000. Considering the crap I took (and others too who agreed with me), and considering he did this a while ago now, my bringing it up a couple times since hardly makes me whining about it. I'm just right, and those of you who called me on it are wrong and deserve a little of me telling you I told you so. Nice that you agreed with me that Ritz could one day break the 5,000 AR; would have been nicer for you if you actually said so before he did it.

You are correct about one thing though...it's not about me. I agree 100%. It's about Ritz and me saying that HE would accomplish what he has. He ALWAYS had the ability. Just most here couldn't see it. That's just a fact.

haha, YO wrote:

Sure, Ritz was talented. Even his 13:27 would not lead me to think he could run sub 13:00 because he was always a guy who seemed more suited to longer stuff. His collegiate 1500 PR was 3:44 or something? How can you know that along with his years and years of stagnant performances and still realistically think he could run sub 13? You are just stubborn, Mtn Dew hit it right on the head. Most reasonable people can change and adapt to what the current situation is.

How can you even argue this? He DID it, and I've long given the reasons for it. You lost this one. I won. Move on to predict another day brother.

Can you please start your own thread, mr. flag?

logician the deuce wrote:

As much as you hate to admit it, Flagpole stuck by his prediction when everyone else was calling him a moron, which they pretty much do anyway for no apparent reason. Clearly he recognized that talent like Ritz's doesn't go away so easily. I (under a bunch of different names over time) was another of those saying all along that Ritz was more talented than Kennedy and would surpass him. Looks like I was right, Flagpole was right, and the trendy bashers were wrong. Again.

Correct. Good for you for also seeing what was the truth. Dude runs 13:27 as a freshman. He ran the fastest American collegiate 10,000 meters ever ON HIS FIRST ATTEMPT. He won the NCAA CC title when not fully fit, outkicking Ryan Hall who at the time was thought of as a better kicker than Ritz (I correctly called that race even down to the fact that Ritz would win in a kick finish if it came down to him and Hall). LOTS of reasons to believe this guy was something we hadn't ever seen...and I was right...you were right. Those who didn't think it would happen just need to admit they were wrong and give the credit to those who knew better. Funny how they ask ME to do that when I'm wrong (and I ALWAYS do by the way), but they can't be man enough to step up and do the same.

And your point would be wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

... Well, his 5,000 time predicts a 2:06. I said he'd do that or better though BEFORE he ran the 12:56.

And you were wrong.

Again.

Um...you misunderstand. I said BEFORE HE RAN HIS 5,000 AR, that he would eventually run a marathon of 2:06 or better. His career isn't over, so I can't be wrong yet. The reason I mentioned I called it before his breakthrough is that I didn't need his breakthrough to see the talent that this guy has. Not very many visionaries here.

As far as I can tell, the running visionaries are:

Flagpole

Malmo

ttc

Vipam

Pretty much no one else when it comes to running.

I knew Ritz when he was a sophomore in HS. I watched him progress from one of the fastest in the nation that year (as a sophomore) at 2M , to THE MAN, to a 13:44 HS'er, to the fastest college-freshman ever to ... now the AR holder.

I said all along that he was bound for big things (like sub-13 and sub-27:10) ... he ran 24th in WCCC as a freshman! I said that over and over and even when Webb beat him at 10k I thought he still had better things in him in the future.

The signs were there for those who were willing to see them.

I used to post under "darkness" , but somebody registered my handle and I couldn't use it anymore. I used other handles too, "14-flat", "The Equalizer" some others I can't remember ...

Hey Jason.

Laughable wrote:

Only realistic addition to his 5,000 meters AR is in the 10,000 meters. Is that a goal of his come this fall? Probably not. He hasn't run anywhere close to the AR for the 3,000 meters and is yet to break 2:10 for the Marathon...

His 2M pr of 8:11 converts to 7:34.7 for 3k. That was yrs ago. I see no reason why it isn't possible to to improve that much. I wouldn't bet money on it, much less bet on it THIS YEAR, but it isn't that unlikely that I would say NEVER like some of you. In fact I would bet money he does go between 7:30-7:34 in the next three years.

Also, the AR is 7:30.84. The 2:05:37 required for the Marathon AR is MUCH closer to the WR than a 7:30.80 3k is to a 7:20.67.

AR in the 3k is 3.39 secs/km slower than WR.

AR in the marathon is 2.30 secs/km slower than WR.

Someone should pay Ritz to not run the marathon. He could then reach his potential on the track. I would like to see him run a good mile this year with Rupp and the new guy.

newname wrote:

In fact I would bet money he does go between 7:30-7:34 in the next three years.

Also, the AR is 7:30.84. The 2:05:37 required for the Marathon AR is MUCH closer to the WR than a 7:30.80 3k is to a 7:20.67.

AR in the 3k is 3.39 secs/km slower than WR.

AR in the marathon is 2.30 secs/km slower than WR.

How much would you bet?

props to flagpole!...you did take a lot of shit in prior posts before the record....I never posted because I enjoyed reading your posts and praying you were right...and you were!...besides you are entertaining and defend yourself well on these posts in a logical response!

Hall (i like hall)is household name but Ritz owns him one on one! Always has always will! I would never but my money on Ryan if Ritz in the race!

I hope gets the 10k record...sub 10...I am not sure...but he should be able to get the record.

Will he ever match Lagat's multiple major medals with one of his own?

No. That's the difference between American record chasers and true world class runners.

Since he hasn't ever broken 2:10 in the marathon, I'm guessing 2:05 might be a stretch.

And had Ritz never done it, you'd have simply claimed he never reached his potenial.

Its a no-lose arugment because there are too many varibles.

I can constantly claim webb is going to win gold at the olympics and if he evenutally does, score I'm a running genius, if he doesn't? I am still a genius, he just didn't run to potential.

The Realist wrote:

Since he hasn't ever broken 2:10 in the marathon, I'm guessing 2:05 might be a stretch.

You fall into the category that most here do...you want to see a stepping stone race first before you will predict a little bit faster. It most often does not happen with runners like that. Often they toil in a certain plateau range for a while and then suddenly, BAM! a new level. In order to properly predict, you've got to look at more than just the times the runner has run. Ritz is still very new to the marathon, and he hit his new level of greatness since running his last marathon. He WILL run 2:05-2:06 before he's done (barring career-ending injury or illness or course); He may even run a marathon better than that, though I think 2:05 is his ceiling. 2:04:30 would surprise me less than him never running 2:06.

7:30x/2:05x at first glance seems almost impossible for Ritz, but I remember when BK sat the 3k record most people didn't think he was capable of that performance either. BK and Ritz have almost identical 2-mile PRs 8:11 which is roughly equal to a 7:34 which is alrwady pretty fast. Granted BK has much better mile PR 3:56x, but Ritz has a better 5k PR. BK's much better mile PR is partly due to the fact that he was a miler in the early years of his career, which is an event Ritz has not run since H.S. With that said, I doubt it will ever happen becasue when BK ran his 7:30 3k he was focusing on running fast at 5k and under, while Ritz is focused on 5k+.

latently sexual teenager wrote:

Yes haha, Yo....you are incorrect for imagining someone ELSE possibly predicting Ritz running the 5k AR, that is not nicknamed Flagpole.

Flagpole reminds me of Dana Carvey on SNL predicting every scenario of President Gerald Ford dying. "President Gerald Ford dead today after being mauled by a Circus Lion...."

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Umm...you are obviously incapable of reading comprehension. The dude in question didn't say that someone else could have predicted that Ritz would run 12:56. He said that there was no realistic reason to predict he'd run 12:56. Obviously he was wrong and I was right.

I knew Ritz when he was a pre-schooler and running 2:22 for the 800. I knew from that day he would become the US 5k record holder, and I told everyone. But no one listened and they called me stupid, how could I know that.

Now I am right and nobody is patting me on my back. I feel like a giant turd sandwich and need someone to pet my ego. Would someone please pat me on the back.

You were right, are you so insecure that you need your ego stroked? Seriously, STFU.

fsdafd wrote:

jacxoni wrote:

27:10 in the spring; 7:29 in the summer; 2:05 in the fall ??

matter of fact his 5k AR will go down very soon (Teg is very motivated)

That's just plain stupid. You don't think Ritz is motivated? That's how he ran 12:56. You're an idiot.[/quote]

It does not matter that Ritz is motivated; Teg is much more talented. Have you seen Ritz beat Teg, head to head, over the last 3-4 years. The answer is no, and that is because at the shorter distance he cannot!!! They are more than likely very even at the 10k distance and that big race will be here in the next few years!!!! The sub 27 10k for the U.S. will be a possibility.