Fastest woman at Lakefront Marathon DQ'd for taking water between aid stations

I noticed the byline on those articles is given to Tom Held. Isn't Dan Held from that area, I wonder if there's a relationship there.

I thought the DQ was petty till I read the part about her friends pulling along side her in a van and one getting out and running with her for a bit. Please, they thought that wouldn't be noticed?

And how come there were $500 beanos on the table and no Kenyan or Russian road-whores around? If there's a $100 and a TGI Friday gift card available at any race around here the Kenyans are all over the place.

scotth wrote:

dukerdog wrote:

Most races do take place without USATF sanctioning and insurance.

This is true by a staggering degree; perhaps 99-1. This means 99% of events can operate in nearly (their insurance may frown on some things like free beer, etc) any manner. This sets up a dilemma of sorts; what if somebody sets a record on a certified course but the event wasn't USATF sanctioned. What if aid was allowed at any point to the record setter and he in fact did take aid at 5 unofficial locations on a 15 km course, should his record be allowed?

Dukerdog simply not true in this part of the country And in fact, any race offering prize money must be sanctioned by usatf. The problem there is that usatf is too busy doing stupid shit and not enforcing their own rules. This became quite evident when it was pointed out several years ago that many members of their national teams weren't even members of the organization.

Scott, not sure who is handling records now, but when Linda Honikman was in charge you could not set a record on a non sanctioned, non certified course.

Ray wrote:

.. in fact, any race offering prize money must be sanctioned by usatf.

I won money 3 times in the past year and none of those races were sanctioned by USATF. I've run 10 races in the last year, only 2 were sanctioned.

Noz4nuz wrote:

Lakefront Marathon considers DQ of women's winner number two

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It states explicitly in the race guide that you can't use any musical devices. If they DQ the first girl they have to DQ the second. Otherwise they open themselves up to a lawsuit.

Ray wrote:

.. in fact, any race offering prize money must be sanctioned by usatf.

Blowing.Rock Master wrote:

I won money 3 times in the past year and none of those races were sanctioned by USATF. I've run 10 races in the last year, only 2 were sanctioned.

Yeah, that comment doesn't make any sense. What authority does USATF have over a race that it does not sanction to prevent prize money, or to impose any other rule for that matter?

Get a life man.

Cassie is a class act and a great competitor, but I'm sure you're the typical Letsrun poster, sub four minute miler, bench 300 pounds, and "nail" lots of chicks, all while bringing in a six figure salary. Us mere mortals cannot even begin to compare ourselves with your sort.

The fact that you went out of your way to bring some one else down proves how much of a low life you are..

People like you ruin this forum, congrats!

A rule is a rule. Jason got DQd at Berlin because someone ran his bottle out to him when he was boxed out of an aid station. And these two guys should have been both DQd for illegal assistance.

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I am sure the 500 bucks would be nice but if I got disqualified for rocking an ipod and taking some water out of the "official hydration zone" , I would just say F&CK the race too and go on with my life.

Congratulations to Peller on a nice race.

ps Could someone tell that ignorant Hinrichs lady that neither 3:02 for a woman nor 2:55 for a 44 year old man is "elite". She might think she is the head poobah of the greatest marathon in the world and is probably sitting in her office viewing tape of the race to see how many more runners she can boot out of the official standings, but the reality is that it is just an average race that a lot of runners may think about NOT doing in the future because of the adverse publicity.

batondrop wrote:

And these two guys should have been both DQd for illegal assistance.

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What rule are they breaking?

See rule 240 8):

I suspect that one of the competitors filed a written protest within 24 hours after the race ended. Then it is up to a predesignated committee of race officials to determine whether a rule was broken.

dukerdog wrote:

Hindsight wrote:

Sanctioned by USATF. They do sanction road races. Mostly it means the race gets the USATF insurance without which many (most) races would not be allowed to take place

I guess I was asking because I don't see the point. Has anyone ever decided not to run a road race because it's not USATF sanctioned?

Most races do take place without USATF sanctioning and insurance.

I can't say that has ever happened. But I know of more than one road race that was denied a permit by the town they were in unless they were USATF Sanctioned.

I don't get why people don't understand this rule. It's pretty basic. All competitors in a race are competing and none can get special assistance. No pacers who don't start (sorry Lance), no water or gel from a friend. It gives an unfair advantage.

In the early 1980s, Grete Waitz's husband Jack would meet her and give her fluid, and I've always thought she should have been DQed for it. But, of course, she wasn't. I had a guy run out to someone ahead of me on Fifth Avenue in 2006 and give him a can of something. If he just beat me to the wire, I would have complained.

Query that elites get their own fluid stations in major marathons, but I can live with that.

The rules in this particular event state that one can take personal aid (fluids, gu, etc...) "adjacent" to aid stations. This is a little ambiguous. Also, the personal aid rule has not been enforced amongst top finishers in previous editions of the event. It doesn't condone breaking the rules, but there has been a precedent of relaxing the rules.

Ray wrote:

And in fact, any race offering prize money must be sanctioned by usatf.

Obviously not true. Anybody who wants to can give you money for winning a race, or for finishing in last for that matter. The USATF can't stop you, and I doubt they'd have any reason they would want to stop you.

JoeGarland wrote:

I don't get why people don't understand this rule. It's pretty basic. All competitors in a race are competing and none can get special assistance. No pacers who don't start (sorry Lance), no water or gel from a friend. It gives an unfair advantage.

because it doesn't work both ways. consider the marathons in which the half and full start together. those in the front of the marathon are often impeded by those in the back of the half. do those in the back of the half get DQ? no.

this is a joke. irrational, and nonsensical.

here there wrote:And how come there were $500 beanos on the table and no Kenyan or Russian road-whores around? If there's a $100 and a TGI Friday gift card available at any race around here the Kenyans are all over the place.

This is not usually the case for marathons. If one fast person shows up, you have to race hard, and that's the end of your season. This is why small marathons are the best chance for non-elites to ever win cash.

And regarding the rule: have your friend pass you fluids at the aid stations, rather than in between. Unless the RD has offered a specific interpretation of the rule that prohibits it, that should be safe.

After the USAF marathon the womens winner bragged on TV about the music on her IPOD that inspired her during the marathon.. DUM BASS In the video you can see an official takling to her post race and it looks liek he's pointing to her ear phones....

rulesarerulesarefools wrote:

Could someone tell that ignorant Hinrichs lady that neither 3:02 for a woman nor 2:55 for a 44 year old man is "elite". She might think she is the head poobah of the greatest marathon in the world and is probably sitting in her office viewing tape of the race to see how many more runners she can boot out of the official standings, but the reality is that it is just an average race that a lot of runners may think about NOT doing in the future because of the adverse publicity.

I was thinking the same thing.

Also maybe she is friends with the race director.

There is definitely foul play afoot. I think the first two runners should take the disqualifying parties to court.

dukerdog wrote:

Ray wrote:

And in fact, any race offering prize money must be sanctioned by usatf.

Obviously not true. Anybody who wants to can give you money for winning a race, or for finishing in last for that matter. The USATF can't stop you, and I doubt they'd have any reason they would want to stop you.

I'm just saying what is in the rules. USATF has jurisdiction over any race offering prize money. The reason is simple. If you are going to award prize money and/or you are going to compete for a cash prize, then the race should obviously operate under a set of rules. The sanctioning of the event assures everyone that is the case. I know we are now considered a "professional" sport but this is how the cash flow in the sport is monitored. You and I might think it's stupid but that's the way it is.

It wasn't too long ago when the athletes wouldn't run in a race unless it was sanctioned. From what you're saying we've gone full circle and are back in the Dark Ages.