If he truly trains FOR the 1500m and runs more than four 1500m races...I say 3:30.9 is possible next year for Kenenisa Bekele.
If he truly trains FOR the 1500m and runs more than four 1500m races...I say 3:30.9 is possible next year for Kenenisa Bekele.
If he runs more than 4 European races he'll be beaten by an American in one of them. Lookout for Lomong and Leo next year in the 1500m.
And you think he is clean and Bolt is dirty?
Man I forgot about Bernard Lagat in the 1500m. K. Bekele should improve the Ethiopian NR for 3000m but maybe not the World Record.
He could easily run the steeple in sub 8 minutes if he trained one year for it. Kenenisa according to recent reports isn't finished with his assualt on the 5,000 and 10000m WR and plans to include the 3000m on his agenda.
He will never break the 3000m record. It's going to take a world class 1500m runner to do it and he's just not that fast.
You almost got me Trolly McTroll... almost.
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
He could easily run the steeple in sub 8 minutes if he trained one year for it. Kenenisa according to recent reports isn't finished with his assualt on the 5,000 and 10000m WR and plans to include the 3000m on his agenda.He will never break the 3000m record. It's going to take a world class 1500m runner to do it and he's just not that fast.
Not that smart are you. You don't have to be a world class 1500m to set the 3000m record. If he breaks the 5k wr again than he definitely has a shot. And he's not that fast? ummmm. Try telling lagat that.
VIPAM wrote:
If he truly trains FOR the 1500m and runs more than four 1500m races...I say 3:30.9 is possible next year for Kenenisa Bekele.
he will never train exclusively for 1500 as that woud mean sacrificing 10k endurance & he'll never give that up - he needs it to win xc at start of year
off equally strong 5k/10k ability using that doubling relationship + 1'00, he'll never crack 3'30
trying :
http://www.jundo.co.uk12'37 / 26'14 ->3'31.47 , 7'20.93
12'36 / 26'12 ->3'31.17 , 7'20.33
12'35 / 26'10 ->3'30.87 , 7'19.73
12'34 / 26'08 ->3'30.57 , 7'19.13
12'33 / 26'06 ->3'30.27 , 7'18.53
12'32 / 26'04 ->3'29.97 , 7'17.93
with his current MO, he'd need to be at worst <12'32/<26'04 to do it
he'll never break 3'30 as long as he clings onto that 10k endurance
Sammy K just destroyed the field in his sub 59 minute half marathon and did an interview shortly after his race. Man I didn't know he went thru the 5k of that 1/2 marathon in 13:37 WHOA! It's a very interesting interview but you must listen carefully as his accent is thick and alittle difficult to understand at times. The only thing I disagreed with is that he say he can defeat Kenenisa Bekele in the 10000m. How is he supposed to do that when Haile in his PRIME back in 2003 tired it with the only race that featured a sub 13 minute 5000m for the 2nd half of the race. Kenenisa won it with spilts of 13:52.33/12:57.24! I don't think Sammy K. can beat a healthy Kenenisa Bekele in the 10000m..can anyone beat K.Bekele in the 10000m while he's healthy and in his prime?
What is the list of blemishes on Bekele's resume?
DNF, 1500m this year
3000m loss to Alistair Cragg (DNF?)
DNF, World XC (year?)
5000m loss to Mottram (year?)
Silver behind El in 5000m
???
Sammy K said one day and maybe that one day is when Kenny B is past his prime he'll have a slight chance to defeat him in the 10000m.
observing wrote:
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:He will never break the 3000m record. It's going to take a world class 1500m runner to do it and he's just not that fast.
Not that smart are you. You don't have to be a world class 1500m to set the 3000m record. If he breaks the 5k wr again than he definitely has a shot. And he's not that fast? ummmm. Try telling lagat that.
Okay, I confess it's a little more balanced than I thought, but I still think that to set it today you need to be world class at 1500m. If you take a look at the top of the 3000m standings, everyone (with the exception of Mohammed Mourhit (doper)) is a really, really good 1500m runner. KB is merely a very good one. ElG would look, on paper, to have been the ideal person to take it down. Admittedly he didn't try that hard.
Geb is faster than KB at 1500m and not that much slower at 5000m and he was a record breaking beast and *he* couldn't do it.
Nope, I'm standing by my statement. KB needs to be faster at 1500m or he has no chance.
Agree - look at it this way - Komen was only 2 seconds slower at 5k than Bekele. He was able to run 7:20 (vs Bekele's 7:25) because he was a 3:29 1500 guy (3 seconds faster than Bekele, or the equivalent of being 10 seconds faster at 5k)
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
observing wrote:Not that smart are you. You don't have to be a world class 1500m to set the 3000m record. If he breaks the 5k wr again than he definitely has a shot. And he's not that fast? ummmm. Try telling lagat that.
Okay, I confess it's a little more balanced than I thought, but I still think that to set it today you need to be world class at 1500m. If you take a look at the top of the 3000m standings, everyone (with the exception of Mohammed Mourhit (doper)) is a really, really good 1500m runner. KB is merely a very good one. ElG would look, on paper, to have been the ideal person to take it down. Admittedly he didn't try that hard.
Geb is faster than KB at 1500m and not that much slower at 5000m and he was a record breaking beast and *he* couldn't do it.
Nope, I'm standing by my statement. KB needs to be faster at 1500m or he has no chance.
I'm not stating that he could break the 3000m record next year but he can come reasonably close to it. There's no reason why he can't. If he runs a 12:34 next year for 5k and a 3:30.7x for the 1500m, he definitely can come within 3 seconds of the wr. I personally think he's capable of hitting those times I just listed above because there's no wc's, xc championships or Olympics to focus on. The people that say he absolutely WON'T break any world records next year are just terrified at the thought of him actually doing it because that will further widen the gap between Americans and their East African counterparts.
I'm not stating that he could break the 3000m record next year but he can come reasonably close to it. There's no reason why he can't. If he runs a 12:34 next year for 5k and a 3:30.7x for the 1500m, he definitely can come within 3 seconds of the wr. I personally think he's capable of hitting those times I just listed above because there's no wc's, xc championships or Olympics to focus on. The people that say he absolutely WON'T break any world records next year are just terrified at the thought of him actually doing it because that will further widen the gap between Americans and their East African counterparts.
Well, Lagat in his prime would smoke KB over 1500m asleep.
DK ran 3.46.tt for the mile(?) KB is nowhere near that.
He is, though, the best 5/10k runner in history. And maybe the
first sub 2 marathoner when he hits the roads.
Guys, I'm tellin' ya now.
No way on God's green Earth is Kenny B breaking my record. It's the craziest shit on the record books.
7 and a half laps at high 58's. Please.
Excuse me but can't you realize that regardless of what the table says that very few athletes if any will have 3 personal best that fall along the same parameters scale on pre-mentioned table. There have been so many athletes in the past in which their personal best in two events where very close but you move up or down one more distance and there is a TREMENDOUS difference? Athletes are not maps or pinpoints as their talent, mental, experience, and training variables and especially aerobic/anaerobic capabilites will decide their limits MORE than your latitude/longitude.
The main thing is that you act as if Kenenisa Bekele trained specifically for the 1500m in the past in which he ran one or two 1500m races but didn't train directly for the 1500m. He mentioned it before but changed his mind after small setback but still ran the distance. So his 1500m personal best stand a far better chance of improving significanlty.
It's so funny that you say by Kenenisa training to run faster for the 1500m that his 5000m will suffer. HOW MANY TIMES in the last four-five years in which we have heard MANY athletes saying I need to improve my 200m to run a better 400m, 400m to run a faster 800m, 1500m to run a faster 5000m, marathoners saying I need to improve my 5000m/10000m to run a faster marathon and they do it in the same season. So Kenenisa is excluded from being one of those who can run a faster 1500m thus a faster 3000m because you want to prove a table you found and your right- PLEASE!!
VIPAM wrote:
[quote]Excuse me but can't you realize that regardless of what the table says that very few athletes if any will have 3 personal best that fall along the same parameters scale on pre-mentioned table. There have been so many athletes in the past in which their personal best in two events where very close but you move up or down one more distance and there is a TREMENDOUS difference? Athletes are not maps or pinpoints as their talent, mental, experience, and training variables and especially aerobic/anaerobic capabilites will decide their limits MORE than your latitude/longitude
moron
learn something
every distance runner is an intrinsic 400/800 guy - the absolute basic measure of speed & endurance
how fast they run for 1k+ is dependent solely on how far their endurance capacity extends beyond 800 ( or for a 800 guy, we reduce to 400/600 & apply same )
The main thing is that you act as if Kenenisa Bekele trained specifically for the 1500m in the past in which he ran one or two 1500m races but didn't train directly for the 1500m. He mentioned it before but changed his mind after small setback but still ran the distance. So his 1500m personal best stand a far better chance of improving significanlty
moron
i've never "acted" in my life that kennster "trained specifically" for 1500
he did it as always in his career off his 5k/10k ability
all he coud expect for off that is perfect wabbiting & race-experience - all of which suggest nothing better than 3'31, seeing as he's been whuppassed by komen2 & choge over 1500
It's so funny that you say by Kenenisa training to run faster for the 1500m that his 5000m will suffer. HOW MANY TIMES in the last four-five years in which we have heard MANY athletes saying I need to improve my 200m to run a better 400m, 400m to run a faster 800m, 1500m to run a faster 5000m, marathoners saying I need to improve my 5000m/10000m to run a faster marathon and they do it in the same season. So Kenenisa is excluded from being one of those who can run a faster 1500m thus a faster 3000m because you want to prove a table you found and your right- PLEASE!!
complete moron
the guy was a ~ 12'35/12'36 & 26'10/26'12 guy 5y ago & from calculator no better than 3'31 at the time
if he had found "holy grail" of bigging up that 3'31 to 3'30 or even 3'29 & not losing that 5k/10k, he wouda done it/shown it
you are completely clueless
he was at his fine-tuned limit 5y ago & no changes couda been made to his 1500/5k/10k equivalency without tilting the axis & losing his 10k at expense of 1500 & then seeing how that affected his 5k :
work out
3'31.0 / 26'12 for 5k ( '04 form )
then
3'30 / 26'15 - 26'17.5 for 5k ( postulated ) here
http://www.jundo.co.uk/Vent2 your so immature and a complete tool. You can't complete a debate in which someone disagree with you without resorting to name calling how small of you. I hope your not in my high school, hey what junior high school do you attend?