hillarytess wrote:
Man.....McDougal ran this...how many years ago? 2?
McDougal was awesome. Very similar to Fernandez. He could be marketable if he wanted to be, but he has religion driving him.
Id take McDougal or Fernandez any day over Rupp, I don't care what shape or distance. The McDougal brothers and German would be monsters in marketing this stuff and getting more kids out running!
hillarytess wrote:
Man.....McDougal ran this...how many years ago? 2?
Did he? Indoors?
Rupp ran what 2 years ago? 27:33? What was mcdougal running for that?
I think some people have forgotten what Rupp specializes in.
You on drugs? wrote:
Now you just more cred. Rupp "may" be able to run a low 27:00 this year? have you paid attention at all to Rupp's progress? Dude ran 27:33 two years ago. He hasn't gone to Europe to race one, where all these times you are referring to are set.
His next barriers are 13:00 and 27:00. Not too many people crack those. German is NOT anywhere ready to crack those. Until he is at that level you have no point. German may be a man without an event right now. Not fast enough to compete in a world class mile (need a kick) and not strong enough for a world class 5K. 3K is probably his best, but unless he can hurdle well he's out of any major championship.
Bye the way, are you joking with the "looks" thing? That is just insulting to German. Both are neither particularly handsome nor ugly, just leave that at that.
By your logic, Wheating is the most marketable. Faster, a ton of upside, a real kick and tall and good looking. Not only that, his interviews are FAR more engaging than Germans. For me I don't care about marketability, I like watching runners run fast.
Wheating is marketable too. And where did I say German would beat Rupp in the 10k? I implied Rupp would win at that distance. You see, you're just letting your Rupp love get in the way of logic.
Thinking I meant Rupp was a bad runner...not in the slightest. Perhaps you shouldn't get so emotional about this. I'm sure Rupp will choose you. Don't worry.
I love peeps wrote:
hillarytess wrote:Man.....McDougal ran this...how many years ago? 2?
McDougal was awesome. Very similar to Fernandez. He could be marketable if he wanted to be, but he has religion driving him.
Id take McDougal or Fernandez any day over Rupp, I don't care what shape or distance. The McDougal brothers and German would be monsters in marketing this stuff and getting more kids out running!
ok, now I know you are a joke. in so many ways.
10K man wrote:
hillarytess wrote:Man.....McDougal ran this...how many years ago? 2?
Did he? Indoors?
Rupp ran what 2 years ago? 27:33? What was mcdougal running for that?
I think some people have forgotten what Rupp specializes in.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, at least based on your implications, that McDougal specialized in the mile. All that 120 miles a week really helped his speed and turnover...
We're going into a depression, don't you want the Runners who are gonna sell more and give you higher margins? Thats what I don't understand, when was our last distance Gold?
800-Marathon, men. When was it? Quite a darn while ago. How far behind are our records? A few minutes? 50 seconds? 20 seconds? 18 seconds? 3 seconds?
We have got a long way to go, and if you guys are gonna hoop and hollar about Rupp running 3:57.86 indoors when his speciality is the 10k, you have another thing coming.
When Rupp breaks 3:50 (if he ever does) then he'll have the requisite speed to take on the Africans and WIN.
ok, so my question is, will he focus on the 5K this season?
he's obviously MUCH faster than he has been for the last 3 years. faster across the board, but I mean he has obviously developed some speed now. be great to run a 10K this year and go for the AR there (which should be his if he does) but why not keep the speed going to and take a couple good cracks at the 5K outdoors. he's still very young and that 5K record is old. his improvement is much more rapid right now than Tegs, Lagat can't be getting faster still (sans drugs) so he is the one who has a great shot at it. German fans settle down, he has no shot at this right now.
college schedule won't help his efforts, but give a shot anyway at least to get into 13:0X range. next year should be the best, no major international championship, not college season, just a european racing circuit!
Rupp could probably run 3:52 outdoors. Maybe.
I think he might have a shot at cracking 13, but the likelihood of him cracking 27 is much harder, he's got to get a good race going at just the right time in his season. And it has to be a good day.
What he could run under perfect conditions:
12:58, 26:55
what he'll probably run:
13:02, 27:08.
These are good times, but keep them in perspective, they won't win medals.
hillarytess wrote:
10K man wrote:Did he? Indoors?
Rupp ran what 2 years ago? 27:33? What was mcdougal running for that?
I think some people have forgotten what Rupp specializes in.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, at least based on your implications, that McDougal specialized in the mile. All that 120 miles a week really helped his speed and turnover...
So yer sayin he beat Rupp at 10K?
Let me help you out, what I was saying is, Rupp is a 10K specialist. However, he now has:
1:49 - Indoors
3:57 - Indoors
7:44 (ACR) - Indoors
13:18 (ACR - AR) - Indoors
27:33 (ACR) - Outdoors
World Champs Team Member - 10K
Olympic Team Member - 10K
So, you were saying....
I don't care how McDougal ran 3:57, what I want to know is if he was running 120 miles a week and was a 10K specialist and somehow mustered a 3:57 mile in all of it, how could he not be within a straightaway of Rupp's OLD 10K pr?
3:57.86 is what for 15 conversion? 3:40? around there give or take half a second.
Geb ran 3:31 indoors. Let me say that again, 3:31 indoors. 3:31! That converts to just about 10 seconds in a mile. With that kind of edge, Geb ran 26:22 that year. Adjusted for 10 seconds a mile, I say that puts Rupp in about 27:22 shape.
Now, of course, we have BK who could probably throw down a 53 after 24 laps of 26:30 pace. Oh, and BK could do that at 22. Rupp is 22.
I love peeps wrote:
Now, of course, we have BK who could probably throw down a 53 after 24 laps of 26:30 pace. Oh, and BK could do that at 22. Rupp is 22.
pull your head out bud.
Is this only Rupp's second win this entire indoor season? This one and the kicker's mile at Huskey ... Any others?
you blind? wrote:
I love peeps wrote:Now, of course, we have BK who could probably throw down a 53 after 24 laps of 26:30 pace. Oh, and BK could do that at 22. Rupp is 22.
pull your head out bud.
yup, I'm blind alright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3agI love peeps wrote:
yup, I'm blind alright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3ag
You retard. That's KB, not BK....idiot.
Mrr82 wrote:
I love peeps wrote:yup, I'm blind alright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3agYou retard. That's KB, not BK....idiot.
oops. zero credibility right? gawd you guys are such twats. I didn't even criticize Rupp that badly, and you guys got all rotten over it.
Stop acting like prissy fairies, and man the F* up. Take a little criticism now and then and at least be honest, like a man. Only pampered little babies would whine like some of you are.
It's a bit much to expect anyone to challenge the 10K world record. Only three men in history have cracked 26:30 -- Bekele, Gebrselassie and Tergat. Running gods who will undoubtedly still be near the top of the list decades from now.
What is embarrassing is that our American record of 27:13 is only 148th on the all-time list. That's pretty lame, and it'll be long overdue if Rupp breaks 27:00 this summer, which would put him in the top 60. Much more respectable, or at least a decent start at respectability.
It doesn't help when runners pass over golden opportunities such as Bekele's rabbited world record attempt at last year's Pre. Bekele ended up running a stellar 26:25.97, and the only American in the race was Abdi, who came up short with 27:16.99. What if the race were stacked with our best Americans? Admittedly it was a bit too close to the Olympic Trials. So why not plan more races like that with better timing? Get the top talent over, and stack it. Send more athletes over to Bruxelles, Hengolo and Oslo where nearly all the records are set. There's rarely any Americans in those races.
Another problem of course is our top talent like Hall and Ritz focus too much on marathons, when they should probably work more on their 10k speed and limit themselves to one marathon a year.
I hope in the next several years, our top prospects of Rupp, McDougal, Fernandez, Derrick, Puskedra, etc. spend some time focusing on not just worlds and the Olympics, but those European races, and stay the hell away from marathons until they're older.
You are an IDIOT!
I love peeps wrote:
Unfortunately for German, the rich people who buy Nike products can't pronounce his name correctly, which will kill his marketability until he garners a world title, or develops a funny foreign accent.
Rupp is a suburban white kid without much edge, but plenty of heart and talent. He's not afraid to use make use of every advantage he is given, and he gets great results for it. That's easily more identifiable for runners in America.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
It's a bit much to expect anyone to challenge the 10K world record. Only three men in history have cracked 26:30 -- Bekele, Gebrselassie and Tergat. Running gods who will undoubtedly still be near the top of the list decades from now.
What is embarrassing is that our American record of 27:13 is only 148th on the all-time list. That's pretty lame, and it'll be long overdue if Rupp breaks 27:00 this summer, which would put him in the top 60. Much more respectable, or at least a decent start at respectability.
It doesn't help when runners pass over golden opportunities such as Bekele's rabbited world record attempt at last year's Pre. Bekele ended up running a stellar 26:25.97, and the only American in the race was Abdi, who came up short with 27:16.99. What if the race were stacked with our best Americans? Admittedly it was a bit too close to the Olympic Trials. So why not plan more races like that with better timing? Get the top talent over, and stack it. Send more athletes over to Bruxelles, Hengolo and Oslo where nearly all the records are set. There's rarely any Americans in those races.
Another problem of course is our top talent like Hall and Ritz focus too much on marathons, when they should probably work more on their 10k speed and limit themselves to one marathon a year.
I hope in the next several years, our top prospects of Rupp, McDougal, Fernandez, Derrick, Puskedra, etc. spend some time focusing on not just worlds and the Olympics, but those European races, and stay the hell away from marathons until they're older.
I agree, if our guys had to compete with each other like they do for such mundane titles as the American title (its not respected worldwide for good reason) we'd see a lot more fast times.
The truth is Meb and Abdi could have broken 27. A few more guys could have given it a scare or done it too, Kennedy, I don't put it past them. But so far no one has gotten the sh*t together to do it, and then you have this kind of criticism and it unleashes a whole motley of whining noises and excuses.
Rupp can and will break 27, but the truth is there is some young Kenyan or Ethiopian right now, training who may break 26. As incredible as it sounds. So we'll make the leap, but the gap will remain the same. Not much for respect huh? Just more mediocrity. And it shouldn't be rewarded, that sends the wrong kind of message.
WTG Galen! Breaking 4:00 on the boards...awesome!