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character coaches Badders does he? Something to take a geezer at. I remember an article by him from the web a year or so ago where he said he should coach badders. Did the poaching intention work out? Anyway go badders.
Interesting info so far. Here is a little more. Riseley has potential no doubt. Out at knox we have known this for years. But he returned from osaka with a stress fracture although he did head back to europe after. Short rehab and into the oz summer. Then to the US chasing an 800m qualifier. He ran 146.6 in feb 07 as a 20 year old. Where is the improvement? Richard should put his foot down.
I also find it interesting the hype around this group. Johnson has failed every year since her world cross, hasn't done any PB's and should have been building towards the peak of her career.
Mottram hasn't done a 5k pb in an age at a time when he should be at his peak. He too has underperformed at the main events for some time.
Vicky Mitchell hasn't got close to her best since she started with that group, and Wellings and Rollison have been constantly injured.
I am not criticisng the runners, because the weight of evidence seems to fall towards a greater power rather than just a single athlete or performance. I find it incredible that the athletes still have incredible faith in that system, when surely there has been a lot of disappointments.
what would peter winter do if he was bidoo?
Baddeley was deadset useless before he spent time in Australia working with Mottram and Bideau.
So although there is official coach athlete relationship there, Bideau would seem fairly well responsible for the Baddeley we see now.
Some said Mottram hasnt performed at majors for a while?
8th in Athens 04 - good run
3rd in Helsinki 05 - great run
2nd at Comm Games 06 - great run
1st at World cup (beat bekele) 06 - Incredible run
So Mottrams has had one year of non performing (2007) at a Major. And that was mainly due to a hamstring injury 2 weeks out from Osaka.
Someone else said that Riseley has stopped improving??
Well newsflash, after the 1.46.8 In feb07 there was the Olso time of 1.46.34 - another half sec pb. Then there was the 3.38 in Sheffield a 3 sec pb. Then this year there was another 1.46.3 and then a 3.36.0 - 2.7 sec pb by my counts.
Thats great improvemnt from a kid who is surely nearing a plateau of some kind. i wouldnt expect his 800 to get down to much more, kid after all is a miler.
Wellings and Rollison have been injury prone since they were 16. Wellings has the bone density of a 80 year old.
So do you think that he is improving? He's only 28 and should be reaching his peak. He was only 8th in Athens (remember they actually say that they think he's good enough to MEDAL). Helsinki was good - no arguments there. Comm games was good, but really was only the comm games - he doesn't go well when there is a group of runners around him (look at his performances at cross country recently). World Cup means nothing only one african - Bekele was scheduled to run the 5k, and moved over to the softer event. What you should look at is his improvement - that is what a coach is supposed to do -he's only 28!
All of his athletes improve rapidly when they are under his spell, but the plateau after one to two years. Why?
If you talk the talk, you should walk the walk!
This whole thread epitomises how low Aussie Athletics has sunk.Everyone looking for excuses and who to blame.
Face it you blokes,look at the heat results.No way were either of the 1500m men going to advance from the first round even if fit as fiddles.The depth in the fields was too deep.If not sick they would have run faster times but not qualified anyway.Why did they race if so sick,beats me,on a hiding to nothing,miracles don't happen.
Judy wrote:
This whole thread epitomises how low Aussie Athletics has sunk.Everyone looking for excuses and who to blame.
Face it you blokes,look at the heat results.No way were either of the 1500m men going to advance from the first round even if fit as fiddles.The depth in the fields was too deep.If not sick they would have run faster times but not qualified anyway.Why did they race if so sick,beats me,on a hiding to nothing,miracles don't happen.
couldnt agree with you more.
it does start at the top with administration and their direction though.
the athletes that are having a crack are doing all they can do. it is the lack of ones coming through and their development or dirction through the infrastructure.
ATHLETICS Australia's selection criteria has failed one of our brightest prospects by not including Jeff Riseley on the Olympic team.
That's the view of Craig Mottram's coach, Nic Bideau, after Riseley's last-ditch bid to be included in the 1500m for Beijing was vetoed last night.
"If he went to the Olympics he could have got to the final," Bideau said.
Where is the knowledge?? wrote:
Some said Mottram hasnt performed at majors for a while?
8th in Athens 04 - good run
3rd in Helsinki 05 - great run
2nd at Comm Games 06 - great run
1st at World cup (beat bekele) 06 - Incredible run
So Mottrams has had one year of non performing (2007) at a Major. And that was mainly due to a hamstring injury 2 weeks out from Osaka.
Glass is Half Full Vs. Glass is Half Empty
- Some say he's only aquired 1 bronze at any "major" championship over the past 8 years.
- Some say he's done well at the Comm Games, Olympics, and WC's.
I'd say he's done alright for what he is, a middle/top of the pack runner. He's definitely not in the upper tier consistently enough to be considered a world beater, but he mixes it up sometimes. Seems like he's peaked though. '07 was disappointing, injury or not, and after XC and the start of '08 I wouldn't say he's ready to go get another bronze.
This is how the end of careers happen... people get injured and everyone says ohhh give it time, he'll heal and make a comeback. But he's starting to reach that age where you don't come back as well.
slogger wrote:
ATHLETICS Australia's selection criteria has failed one of our brightest prospects by not including Jeff Riseley on the Olympic team.
That's the view of Craig Mottram's coach, Nic Bideau, after Riseley's last-ditch bid to be included in the 1500m for Beijing was vetoed last night.
"If he went to the Olympics he could have got to the final," Bideau said.
interesting comment and necessary thread. I've been OS for a week and missed it all. If it still has legs i'd be happy to put my two cents worth in
flow
Bunch of wankers. Cowards. I would have run 3:33 to qualify even if I'd had diharrea running down my legs.
Herbert Elliot the Great wrote:
Bunch of wankers. Cowards. I would have run 3:33 to qualify even if I'd had diharrea running down my legs.
hahaha so true. The Aussie spirit from the past is a tough one - Herb was a true champion.
Sally Mclellan is showing her toughness. Our ex-Algerian Abdi showed it too last night.
flow wrote:
slogger wrote:ATHLETICS Australia's selection criteria has failed one of our brightest prospects by not including Jeff Riseley on the Olympic team.
That's the view of Craig Mottram's coach, Nic Bideau, after Riseley's last-ditch bid to be included in the 1500m for Beijing was vetoed last night.
"If he went to the Olympics he could have got to the final," Bideau said.
interesting comment and necessary thread. I've been OS for a week and missed it all. If it still has legs i'd be happy to put my two cents worth in
flow
it has plenty of legs.
madman max wrote:
it has plenty of legs.
I'll take your word for it and prepare something that will probably be long. Also i'm registering my name once and for all and will be less of a d...head from now on. It's time to take all of this and myself a little more seriously.
flow
The Aussie 800m runner just came second last in his heat, running 1:49. However, he was doing his best, so we should give him a gold medal for his efforts.
Message to Nick Willis: Please come to Australia, and we will give Russell Crowe back.