World Cross Costs $3 Million to Stage?

How many page ?

Can you post it on the internet ?

I'm sure many people would like to see it.

Thanks.

57 pages in hard copy - you wont see me typing it out, or putting it through the copier!!

Most of it is really boring stuff about the proposed facilities, hotels, locations, transport options, etc etc.

Some costs from the original bid document which might give some indication of where the money goes:

4* IAAF Hotel (MacDonald) quoted at $238US per night

5* Hilton (not sure if used) was quoted at $400US per night

(Note: IAAF required 5* be available for 100 IAAF VIPs/Guests and Sponsors)

Some of the major costs expected:

Event Management costs: $147,771

Food and Accommodation: $669,532

Media, marketing and Print: $264,986

Course/venue costs: $294,378

Transport (local): $85,869

Insurance: $18,866 (x10 for USA hosted event)

Overall proposed budget = $1,625,400US

Interestingly, of the 1.6 million, only $47,250 of income was expected to come from commercial sponsorship, and none of the above includes the vasts sums required for the airfares for quoted athletes.

Is the helpful?

ITK

Any chance of scanning the document and converting it to a .pdf, then posting it on a site like scribd.com?

$3 million sounds about right if you take into account the quota athletes the IAAF requires the LOC to pay for (there is a quota based on teams' participation the previous year, so teams that send full squads get more travel $).

What I want to know is who pays for teams that have to go through a regional championship (i.e. Canada & USA) like NACAC--the IAAF or the LOC?

It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that the individuals on the Canadian team paid their own way to Disney World to run NACAC, then had to win in order to have their way paid to World XC.

Who got what ? How many athletes were the accomodations paid for. How many tag alongs and honorary positions did they pay for. Was was the ratio of athletes to non-athletes accomodations were paid for ?

Anyone who slams on a guy like David Katz, who is well respected in the sport for what he does, is either ignorant or clueless...s/he's probably the same person posting for the IAAF/NCAA/USATF/television networks to give away their rights to the fans holding hand-held video cams posting on YouTube, etc., but I'm not going to go there.

Some legit questions I have on Boulder are:

--are there enough 4-5 star hotels within a reasonable distance of the course to satisfy the IAAF mucky-mucks?

--where would athletes be housed? CU?

--if you're thinking of housing IAAF family in Denver, that's a bit of a haul (I'm sure you're going to have to have police escorts for the buses/VIP limos to/from Boulder).

--how many volunteers are going to be needed to pull off an event like this? Will there be enough core volunteers to do the work necessary in the 3-6-9 months before the event?

Just wondering.

Once content is shown on the internet it is released for fair use worldwide, rights are forfeited. Individual countries my still claim rights but non-USA web servers are not under U.S. jurisdiction.

Taking a chance, no country is required to go through a regional system. The IAAF allows for full quota funding for the team and the individual that wins their regional championships. Many Regions do not hold these championships due to a lack of interest or prohibitive costs involved and therefore relay solely on the quota allocated to their federation based on the past three years of performances at WXC. Canada received a set amount from the IAAF towards the costs of the quota athletes, whether Athletics Canada passed this money on is up to them

are there enough 4-5 star hotels within a reasonable distance of the course to satisfy the IAAF mucky-mucks?

--where would athletes be housed? CU?

--if you're thinking of housing IAAF family in Denver, that's a bit of a haul (I'm sure you're going to have to have police escorts for the buses/VIP limos to/from Boulder).

--how many volunteers are going to be needed to pull off an event like this? Will there be enough core volunteers to do the work necessary in the 3-6-9 months before the event?

Boulder would be fine for WXC. In 2003 WXC was held in Labroye, Switzerland, but all accommodation and functions were held over an hour away in Lausanne as the meet venue is just a small village with an equestrian center. Denver to Boulder would not be excessive for IAAF officials or athletes if required.

Athletes usually stay in Hotels. I'm sure there would easily be the 8-900 hotel beds necessary in Boulder.

They used Police escorts for all athletes and IAAF officials in Mombassa so it shouldn't be a deterrent to having the event in Boulder.

I think it was estimated between 700 and 900 volunteers over the weekend for Edinburgh, but the majority of the work in preparation was done by employees paid by various organizations who had a vested interest in the event being successful - EventScotland, scottishathletics, Sport England, UK Sport etc etc.

ITK

You left out the IAAF Congress & VIPs which number 500 to 1000 with wives and relatives, that they brought along to Mombasa, Brussels, Lausanne-LaBroy, St Etienne, etc. That's in addition, over and above, the meet operations, public relations, senior officers, etc. What is the cost for those people. What I'm trying to say is that the bid is one document only. Isn't there a document which describes how exactly the money was spent ? I'd like to see the full breakdown, of the names of individual recipients and companies, and the amounts they were paid, etc. That would give a better idea of where the money is going and how this games is played. Thanks.

Just to follow up on the point about whether teams are funded are not: Even Canada gets funding support to attend World Cross. You can read the details in the team manual here:

http://www.edinburgh2008.co.uk/index.php?p=151

Canada got 12 fully funded "quota" spots (the U.S. got 17), which includes full airfare and three nights room and board. Winning teams at area championships were awarded another four spots each (six for senior men) at 50% airfare plus room and board for three nights.

Of course, even with those funding spots, not all athletes were covered for a large team like Canada's, and the athletes spent more than three days there, so there were additional costs. Whether AC passes on the costs of sending therapists and coaches to the athletes, I don't know.

Bottom line: Yes, the costs of World Cross include a huge bill for flying in, accommodating and feeding the athletes.

In the knowage wrote:

wejo,

I have a copy of the Edinburgh 2008 bid document sitting here in front of me - what specifically would you like to know from it??

ITK

Email me. I'd love to get the document even if its just for my own private use. But if you don't mind. I'll scan it and put it up on letsrun.

Is there any truth to the stipulation in any contract to host a world championship that the LOC must provide any IAAF Council member who wishes to attend the WXC meet (even if they have no official business) a round trip business class ticket & 5* housing and a per diem allowance in the neighborhood of $250 USD/day?

If that's the case, that's completely bull$hit and/or the IAAF has the LOC by the cajones! The $250/day (if it's true) is especially bogus, considering that athletes still only get $10/USD per day to attend a world championship!!!

No - no truth.

I have a friend on the IAAF XC Committee and he gets his trip to WXC as he has to be there for official stuff, but would have to pay for other WC's.

As far as the 500-1000 IAAF VIP's etc - The stand for VIP's only held about 300, many of whon were LOC guest and not connected to the IAAF. There was definitely less than 150 IAAF Members and guests there. I also went to the Jordan banquet on the Saturday afternoon and there was only a smattering of IAAF big-wigs.

ITK