The throwing circle used at the USATF Championships was provided by Gill Athletics and was the same exact one used at Millrose.
The throwing circle used at the USATF Championships was provided by Gill Athletics and was the same exact one used at Millrose.
As the parent of a collegiate thrower...I know that indoor rings are different.....they are wood and depending on the paint, can be very slippery, or not so much. Outdoor rings are concrete and feel different. So even though one company can provide the ring....if the paint is different it can feel different to the feet. My son is always talking about it, and can't wait to throw outside again.
This Cantwell guy is just a tool.....and needs to take responsibility for his actions. How in the world can you blame someone else for not throwing what you wanted to....just bring your own shot! Why didn't he just ask Gill or some other company, that was there, to send one to the meet for him??? But I do wonder what he would have said, or who he would have blamed, if he did have that 128mm shot like he wanted...and STILL didn't throw the distance he wanted to? Blame the ring? Blame the weather? His mom? His coach? Clearly.....he needs to look at himself, he was the one that threw the thing.
If I was another competitor....I don't think I would bring someone a shot....every man for himself and all. And sure, it would be a nice thing to do...but come on...these guys are competing against each other. I can just totally see all of the sprinters sharing stuff for races....yeah, right. The dude is a spoiled prima donna and this will bite him in the butt for a long time.
Adam Nelson - MR. INTENSITY
Reese Hoffa - MR. CONTROVERSY
Christian Cantwell - MR. DENSITY
trailrunner64 wrote:
Plus, if I read the article correctly, Hoffa offered to LOAN Cantwell his own shot for his throws, but oh no, he wanted Hoffa to bring another shot, just for his exalted lone use. Dork.
Mrr82 wrote:
You read it wrong. Hoffa offered him his, but that was a completely differnt size then what Cantwell wanted. (im not agreeing with Cantwell) just saying what you are suggesting is inaccurate and makes Cantwell to sound worse then he already did.
The first poster is 100% correct. If anyone read anythiing wrong, it is you, Mrr82.
From the article:
"My side of the story is that Christian had every opportunity to get his 128 and he decided not to do that," said Hoffa, who used a 137mm shot. "It's putting me in a bad position where he's like, 'I want you to kind of be my mule and carry my shots for me.' That's the way I looked at it. I'm not Christian's mule where I've got to carry his shots for him to track meets."
I love peeps wrote:
there's a good quote about how to tell a man's honor and character, I believe by Abraham Lincoln, but I may be wrong:
"Do not better yourself, by bringing other men down"
Perhaps this should offer insight into the character of certain individuals.
Completely irrelevent quote. And stupid. Hoffa was bringing no man down.
Can someone tell me why indoor shots can be bigger than outdoor shots?
And are the competitors still allowed to share each others shots?
indoor shots are not bigger than outdoor shots. you can have all sorts of different diameters dependent upon the throwers preference. it really just depends how well the shot fits into the throwers grip when picking a diameter. a 115mm shot and a 125mm shot at the men's professional only differ in size, they both still weigh 16 pounds.
wejo wrote:
Can someone tell me why indoor shots can be bigger than outdoor shots?
And are the competitors still allowed to share each others shots?
ahh, you runner-types with poor knowledge of the whole sport of Track & FIELD:
Indoor shots can be bigger because they frequently have a soft plastic-type shell to help protect the surface upon which they land. These softer shells have less density, so therefore more volume is required to get to the proper 16 pounds.
I still don't understand why Cantwell doesn't own his own shot for competing indoors. What are they, 90 bucks? Isn't he sponsored by somebody?
I think you miss the point. Cantwell wanted Hoffa to carry a shot for him to use. Sure he has one the size he wanted. He just expected Hoffa to bring one for him. That's not Hoffa's responsibility and has nothing to do with sportsmanship.
trailrunner64 wrote:
ahh, you runner-types with poor knowledge of the whole sport of Track & FIELD:
Indoor shots can be bigger because they frequently have a soft plastic-type shell to help protect the surface upon which they land. These softer shells have less density, so therefore more volume is required to get to the proper 16 pounds.
Someone with the name "trailrunner64" should not try to explain field events because you clearly don't understand the concept of different sizes for shots.
Go to the mirror, Boy!
I'm a reporter working up a story on this. A lot of you have said there's a lot missing from this story. So what do you want to know? I'll do my best to find out.
silly old fossil wrote:
You people just don't get IT. How often do you see African marathon runners offering their competitors a drink....plenty of times...same thing here.
Certainly Cantwell wasn't deriving some unfair advantage.
You people need to learn a thing or two about SPORTSMANSHIP!
The comparison is more like a Kenyan buying "Evian Water" and bringing it to the marathon and then after offering it to a countryman during the race his countryman rips him publicly after the race for not bringing "Crystal Springs" water, his favorite.
I'm sorry for being harsh but you really are dense. Your comparison is irrelevant and plain stupid. Kenyan's giving each other water on a marathon course is about the same as Hoffa offering for Cantwell to use the shot he used in competition. Those Kenyan's did not carry the water to race course from home. It was provided by the race. In this case Hoffa's certified shot was available to Cantwell. Cantwell just didn't want it.
Cantwell is an a--hole. Hoffa is right all the way.
This story would be different if Cantwell hauled a shot for Hoffa to a previous meet. I'm not going to read into it, but otherwise why would Cantwell call him a hypocrite? That does seem to imply that Cantwell did it for him in the past. My question is, "has Cantwell been a mule for Hoffa in the past?"
Its sport, not life or death... if you're willing to not sell a competitor a product your not using that might help them perform better is pretty pathetic... face the guy on the best of terms for everyone...its like a competitor forgot a 1/8" spike and here your at the line with plenty extra and your not going to loan/ let him buy one off you? Its petty and stupid... the objective is to win sure, but not on technicality...
Tommy wrote:
trailrunner64 wrote:ahh, you runner-types with poor knowledge of the whole sport of Track & FIELD:
Indoor shots can be bigger because they frequently have a soft plastic-type shell to help protect the surface upon which they land. These softer shells have less density, so therefore more volume is required to get to the proper 16 pounds.
Someone with the name "trailrunner64" should not try to explain field events because you clearly don't understand the concept of different sizes for shots.
Go to the mirror, Boy!
Actually, I am multi talented.... I was indeed a Field Guy Back In The Day, I just do Trail and Road Running now that I'm an Old Guy.... plus I'm a certified USATF and HS Official.
And yes, I am completely aware that there are various options in shot sizes, but the main reason for larger indoor shots is the reason I gave. Finally I was just having a little fun with wejo, nothing more. Peace.
Gator wrote:
Its sport, not life or death... if you're willing to not sell a competitor a product your not using that might help them perform better is pretty pathetic... face the guy on the best of terms for everyone...its like a competitor forgot a 1/8" spike and here your at the line with plenty extra and your not going to loan/ let him buy one off you? Its petty and stupid... the objective is to win sure, but not on technicality...
No, it's more like a competitor forgot his shoes entirely and asked you to bring an extra pair of yours. Oh yes, and the shoes are 16lbs.
Whose responsibility is it to bring what they need for a meet? Is it Cantwell's or is it someone else's?
Mtn Dew wrote:
No, it's more like a competitor forgot his shoes entirely and asked you to bring an extra pair of yours. Oh yes, and the shoes are 16lbs.
Whose responsibility is it to bring what they need for a meet? Is it Cantwell's or is it someone else's?
No, it's like a runner has his own shoes but is too lazy/cheap to buy the shoes he likes better and asks someone else to bring them to a meet for him to use. And oh yes, also they're 16lbs.
So here's some scoop... The reason Cantwell was upset was that Reese brought Nelson a shot previously. Also the shot is not $80 as someone suggested but over a $1000 and it had been on order but due to bad weather it did not arrive in columbia before christian had to leave for Boston