Mens Indoor 1500m Results

...Because Lopez totally fell off the pacemaker when he ran that 3:37...

Oh, wait: no he didn't, because when he ran his 3:37 there was no pacemaker because it was the NCAA final!

Guess what time won the 2005 World Champs? 3:37. And the guy who won it was the best 800m runner in the field (the fact that Ramzi's wins were total BS is immaterial to the point).

Newflash: if you run your PB in an unrabbit championship final, you're probably worth quite a bit faster.

so when manzano's 1500m pr was ran in 3:35.29 at the u.s. champs, he might've been capable of running 1-3 seconds faster, really.

I know it's not a big difference, but in my book you take whichever mark is superior - 1500 or mile - when saying how fast someone is. Rob Myers's best mile may be 3:53.78 but his best 1500 (3:34.89) converts to 3:52.08.

I think we should call him a 3:52 miler.

Just saying...

I like Brown to get the "A" standard at some point of the summer, in the right race... Not sure about Myers, 3;35 is probably right at his limit, he looked OK at indoor US NAT running 3:40... Jennings spent to much energy trying to get position at the start, he swung way around to move up, not a good move there!

Stanford Fan wrote:

I like Brown to get the "A" standard at some point of the summer, in the right race... Not sure about Myers, 3;35 is probably right at his limit, he looked OK at indoor US NAT running 3:40... Jennings spent to much energy trying to get position at the start, he swung way around to move up, not a good move there!

Myers already has the A Standard for the Trials.

And his PR is 3:34 in the 1500m, so I'd put his "limit" lower than what he's already run.

how old is Myers? and when was the last time he ran a PR? i know he isn't a spring chicken anymore, not that you have to be to run a PR, but he's probably what- 26/27/28?

Myers is 27 and until last year, has been no worse than 3rd at USA outdoors (reaching back to last Olympic Trials) and never finished worse than 2nd indoors).

Brown won't get the standard becaue he has to run through the NCAA season. What college race will be set up at under 3:36?

Actually Myers wasn't in the top 3 at USA's in 2006 AND 2007. He wasn't top 2 indoors in 2006 either. Lukezic has been more consistent than Myers all the way around with the exception of this year, but who knows what is going on as it was one race in January. He has a 4th, 2nd, 4th, and 4th, at the last 4 US Outdoor/Oly Trials. He is always in the game but sometimes never able to come up with that little bit. I actually thought he might win the thing with 150 meters to go last year. He's also run faster than Manzano did at the same age and performed better than he did at the World Championships when it was his first time around. I would say my vote is for Lukezic or Lomong for that 3rd spot, not Manzano or Myers.

really now wrote:

Actually Myers wasn't in the top 3 at USA's in 2006 AND 2007. He wasn't top 2 indoors in 2006 either. Lukezic has been more consistent than Myers all the way around with the exception of this year, but who knows what is going on as it was one race in January. He has a 4th, 2nd, 4th, and 4th, at the last 4 US Outdoor/Oly Trials. He is always in the game but sometimes never able to come up with that little bit. I actually thought he might win the thing with 150 meters to go last year. He's also run faster than Manzano did at the same age and performed better than he did at the World Championships when it was his first time around. I would say my vote is for Lukezic or Lomong for that 3rd spot, not Manzano or Myers.

I know yuou won't because it would take quite a while, but add up Lukezic vs. Myers head-to-head in races. Myers beats Lukezic 7 of 10 races.

I count it 8 to 9 with Myers by 1. 8 to 8 if you don't count Athletissima in 2007 where Lukezic finshed last with bronchitis. Rob also has 4 years on Lukezic and this count goes back to Prefontaine in 2004 when Lukezic was 19, which is as far back as I can find them racing. They might have raced at NCAAs in 03 but I didn't bother looking for college results.

Really?

Career head-to-head I have 8-11 in favor of Myers (otherwise known as

11 of 19, which is better than the 7 of 10 that you claimed).

I have:

2004 NCAAs Myers

2004 Prefontaine Myers

2004 OTs Myers

2005 USATF Outdoors Lukezic

2005 Lausanne Myers

2005 London Myers

2005 Stockholm Lukezic

2006 Boston Indoor Myers

2006 USATF Indoors Lukezic

2006 Prefontaine Lukezic

2006 New York Myers

2006 USATF Outdoors Lukezic

2007 Boston Indoor Lukezic

2007 USATF Indoors Myers

2007 adidas Carson Myers

2007 New York Lukezic

2007 USATF Outdoors Lukezic

2007 Lausanne Myers

2008 Boston Indoor Myers

If you find something different, please let me know.

Also of importance: Lukezic finished better than Myers at USA Outdoors

in 2005, 2006 and 2007 (2nd to 3rd, 4th to 6th, and 4th to 11th).

Forget the rest of the year, I think that's the one to mark on the

calendar.

That is the past. Right now Lukezic is coming off a 4:05 mile in Boston. If the race was today Myers wins.

And the funny thing about that is that the real race isn't in fact today, but in July. And you can't deny Lukezic's better record at USA Outdoors over the past three years.

Meyers is obviously better than Lukezic lately and I think he will take the third spot in Beijing.

I like Rob and hope that he does well, but I will bet anything you like that he doesn't finish third in Beijing.

...And if you meant to say that he'll take the third spot on the team to Beijing, I'd pick Manzano, Lomong or Lukezic ahead of him (Manzano based on USAs last year, Lomong based on his superior ability and Lukezic on his better record at nationals over the past three years).

If he is healthy, which he was, and was running strong as of the end of last summer, I think Jon Rankin could have a good shot at taking that 3rd spot. Yeah, he doesn't really have the best places in big meets, but for the past 1-2 years, or at least since UCLA, he hasn't really been healthy or running well, but pulled out a 3:35 and 3:54 toward the end of last summer. That's worth noting, especially since those are big jumps in PR's for him. Shows he is doing something right, and if he just stays healthy and keeps doing it, he could be more of a 3:34/3:52 runner.

That's like Rob Myers status.

Is it just me or does a top 3 of Lagat, Webb and Lopez seem to be the most obvious scenario?

The 1500m is all about speed and endurance: it (along with the 800m) is right in the middle of that graph.

Who has better wheels/stamina than these guys (among OT qualifiers)?

Lagat 1:46.00/12:59 5k

Webb 1:43.84/13:10 5k

Lopez 1:45.79/3rd at NCAA XC behind a pair of 27:30 runners

Who else in the field can compete with that? No other Americans under 3:40 last year have better 800m times, and none of them are approaching 13:10 territory (or they'd be in the 5000m like Teg).

If no one is hurt, and no one does anything stupid, these should be your top three.

do you think Lomong will run the 1500m at the trials?

I agree that with his speed, strength, and endurance, he should be able to hang with any American 1500m runner for at least 3 laps, but definitely be a contender for the top 3 spots. He could probably be a good steepler and 5k runner too, as evidenced by his 7:49 indoor win last year over Solinsky and his consistent top xc finishes. Lots of potential with him. The question is where does he and his coach(es) see him going.

Rankin is a great runner, but even more erratic than Myers. I agree that they are evenly matched.

Grant Robison seems to be coming back after being hobbled for several years. Robison made the team in 04 and was injured. He was on the verge of setting one of the strangest records ever.

In his two heats he was tripped and sent to the next round despite finishing at the back of the back, which is not surprising considered the extent of his injury. In the final round he was tripped again! It is said that Robison and his coach rejected an offer to go to the finals on this technicality. If he made the finals he would be the first 1500-meter in Olympic history who was tripped into the finals!

So you can make an Olympic finals without placing in your rounds. The secret is to get fouled in all the rounds!!

Plantar fasciitis has really caused Robison a lot of problems since 2004. In 2004 during Webb's slump it was Robison who was going to be the next hope for US 1500 meter running.

PR: 1500m: 3:35.75 2003