why would it be gun time if chip time is far more accurate of what you actually ran the 26.2 miles in? I get that you can appeal USATF if need be, but why would they automatically go to the chip time if it was under 2:22?
why would it be gun time if chip time is far more accurate of what you actually ran the 26.2 miles in? I get that you can appeal USATF if need be, but why would they automatically go to the chip time if it was under 2:22?
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Run262 wrote:
One thing to watch is that the incentive may create a lot of road kill out there. Run smart.
Road kill IS smart. Where's there's road kill there's a sign of a COMPETITION going on.
Only when we build up our reserves of 2:20 runners will we get 2:15 runners. When we get masses of 2:15s you've see 2:10s. 2:10s...well, you guys get the picture.
Had Pin announced this six months ago I'd guarantee, it would be just enough incentive to keep many of you focused over the summer. $2500 isn't much, but measure it against training hours then you'd agree.
I think this shows amazing support for US runners. It's a fantstic incentive for the sub-elite guys (and girls) out there. I'd love to see Bedford offering something like this at London.
Good luck to everyone taking part.
confused wrote:
why would it be gun time if chip time is far more accurate of what you actually ran the 26.2 miles in? I get that you can appeal USATF if need be, but why would they automatically go to the chip time if it was under 2:22?
Short Answer: Because the USATF sets the rules and that's the way it is.
Longer Answer: Because a race is a race and it starts when the gun goes off. You want to avoid having someone start 30 minutes after everyone else and running a sort of time trial... not really a race situation.
matter wrote:
confused wrote:why would it be gun time if chip time is far more accurate of what you actually ran the 26.2 miles in? I get that you can appeal USATF if need be, but why would they automatically go to the chip time if it was under 2:22?
Short Answer: Because the USATF sets the rules and that's the way it is.
Longer Answer: Because a race is a race and it starts when the gun goes off. You want to avoid having someone start 30 minutes after everyone else and running a sort of time trial... not really a race situation.
But to look at it another way, it's not the actual Trials. Each person is only racing the clock, place/racing others is completely irrelevant. So while it is obvious why they would have this rule in the Trials, I don't really see the logic behind having it for the qualifying time. It's not like track where everyone who qualifyed gets right up on the line for their race. At major marathons good people can end up a good amount of time behind the line (especially at races as big and deep as Chicago). If the chip is deemed accurate enough to log your finishing time, it should be accurate enough to log the start as well.
The truth? Anyone so close to the hairy edge of 2:22 that his gun vs. chip time might make or break his chances at a Trials qualifier has no shot in hell at making the Olympic team, and therefore has no business worrying about this issue in the first place. If you deserve to line up in Birmingham, you'll be there.
Malmo wrote:
Road kill IS smart. Where's there's road kill there's a sign of a COMPETITION going on.
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In the big picture you have a good point malvo, is your first name lee? However, it is not smart if YOU are the road kill. You would have excelled in the recruitement of time of MARTYRDOM.
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Reality say:
>The truth? Anyone so close to the hairy edge of 2:22 that his gun vs. chip time might make or break his chances at a Trials qualifier has no shot in hell at making the Olympic team, and therefore has no business worrying about this issue in the first place. If you deserve to line up in Birmingham, you'll be there.<
I agree with you reality. Looking over last years results, the top 37 runners broke the "heralded barrier" no one should have any problem chip vs. gun.
Correct me if I am wrong, & I know you all will, but a 2:13
runner who is not an American, finishing say 10th, as was the case last year, go home empty handed while an American who run 222 go home with $2500-$3500.
It is great to be an American marathoner!
2003 Prize Purse
Open Men/Women
First
$100,000
Second $55,000
Third $40,000
Fourth $27,000
Fifth
$17,500
American Bonus Men/Women (Accumulative)
First
$12,500
Second $10,000
Third
$5,000
Wheelchair Division Men/Women
First $1,500
Second $1,000
Third
$500
Masters Division (Over 40) Men/Women
First $1,500
Second $1,000
Third
$500
First Illinois Open Division Men/Women
Presented by the Hilton Chicago
First
$1,000
First Illinois Masters Division Men/Women
Presented by the Hilton Chicago
First
$500
2003 Open Time Bonus
Open Men (Non-Accumulative)
Sub: 2:12:00 $3,000
Sub: 2:11:00 $5,000
Sub: 2:10:00 $7,500
Sub: 2:09:00 $10,000
Sub: 2:08:00 $15,000
Sub: 2:07:30 $30,000
Sub: 2:07:00 $45,000
Sub: 2:06:45 $50,000
Sub: 2:06:30 $55,000
Sub: 2:06:15 $75,000
Sub: 2:06:00 $125,000
Sub: 2:05:38
(WR**)
$200,000
World Record Bonus
Smash Men's World Record Bonus (Accumulative)
Sub: 2:05:08 $100,000
(betters WR** by 30 seconds)
Open Women (Non-Accumulative)
Sub: 2:28:00 $3,000
Sub: 2:26:00 $5,000
Sub: 2:24:00 $7,500
Sub: 2:23:15 $10,000
Sub: 2:22:30 $15,000
Sub: 2:21:45 $30,000
Sub: 2:21:00 $45,000
Sub: 2:20:15 $50,000
Sub: 2:19:30 $55,000
Sub: 2:18:45 $75,000
Sub: 2:18:00 $125,000
Sub: 2:15:25
(WR**)
$200,000
World Record Bonus
Smash Women's World Record Bonus (Accumulative)
Sub: 2:14:55 $100,000
(betters WR** by 30 seconds)
ER = Event Record
WR = World Record
** = Or established new World Record if broken before 10/12/03
2002 CHICAGO MARATHON RESULTS
Paula Radcliffe of Great Britain sets a new world best time of
2 hours 17 minutes 18 seconds.
Men
1 Khalid Khannouchi 2:05:56
2 Daniel Njenga JPN 2:06:16
3 Toshinari Takaoka JPN 2:06:16
4 Paul Tergat KEN 2:06:18
5 Abdelkhader El Mouaziz MOR 2:06:46
6 Alan Culpepper 2:09:41
7 John Kagwe KEN 2:10:02
8 Driss El Himer FRA 2:11:51
9 Peter Githuka KEN 2:12:43
10 Tobias Hiskia RSA 2:13:16
11 Ben Kimondiu KEN 2:13:57
12 Kyle Baker 2:14:13
13 Clint Verran 2:14:17
14 Keith Dowling 2:14:22
15 Ryan Shay 2:14:30
16 Kentaro Ito JPN 2:14:41
17 Peter De La Cerda 2:14:41
18 Josh Cox 2:15:01
19 Ian Syster RSA 2:16:04
20 Abdelah Behar FRA 2:16:14
21 Shane Wendouree AUS 2:17:18
23 Weldon Johnson 2:18:10
24 Christopher Birchall GBR 2:18:57
25 Michael Aish NZL 2:19:10
26 Richard Sciota USA 2:19:11
28 Joseph Madison USA 2:19:38
29 Carl Rundell 2:20:05
30 Hermann Achmueller ITA 2:21:05
32 Mark Newman 2:21:26
33 Yukiyasu Nagao JPN 2:21:28
35 William Kabasenche USA 2:21:35
36 Takayuki Shimazaki JPN 2:21:37
37 Peter Gilmore USA 2:21:48
38 Jimmy Hearld USA 2:22:17
39 Julian Dwyer AUS 2:23:49
40 Getachew Kebede ETH 2:23:36
41 Kevin Taylor USA 2:23:42
42 Miguel Sanchez CAN 2:24:14
43 Chris Holden CAN 2:24:23
44 Matthew Folk USA 2:24:42
45 Fred Bunn USA 2:24:47
46 Thomas Teger USA 2:24:54
47 Takashi Matsuyama JPN 2:24:52
48 Arnie Schraeder USA 2:24:56
49 Matt Sciandra USA 2:25:21
50 Rob Hyde USA 2:25:01
I was hoping to run 2:45 but with the incentive, I'm planning on doing 2:19:59. $3500 is mine. And I'm putting it on the Red Sox to win the World Series. Speaking of which, does anyone want to buy my Dominick's Pasta Dinner ticket? The event interferes with Pedro vs. Clements on Saturday. I will autograph my dinner ticket. Bidding starts at $35.
Toni,
Will you be broadcasting the "Runner's Digest" radio show on Sat. from Chi-town?
reality or others,
what about that poor sap who is living his dream of getting to the trials....the guy who has every realization that making the team is out of the question. rather, this guy is nothing special, but busts his butt and just wants to go to his athletic pinnacle, the oly trials. anyhow, say our hero has bib number 2138, gets trapped in the corral behind the jerk offs who don't belong behind the elites and runs a 2:22:19 clock time but a 2:21:58 chip time. forget about appealing to USATF to go B'ham.
my point is, doesn't this guy deserve a chance to go to the Trials to live his dream. from the start line to the finish line, he broke 2:22. why not let him go? who does it hurt. hell, he'd be going on his own dime.
A line is drawn, accept it.
I'd expect a bit more understanding from the Ghost of George Plimpton....hell, Geo. was the ultimate "imposter."
I agree with the dead guy.
If the gun/chip time and getting to the start is such a huge issue then perhaps you should find another race to run.
Chicago is not the only fast marathon out there.
This is funny. That pipsqueak CEO Jeffrey Bezos for Amazon.com makes about $3,500 every 5 minutes or so and somehow $3,500 is supposed to be a big incentive to go under 2:22. There are much easier ways to make $3,500. Now if you said $35,000, I might even give it a shot. $3,500 does not change anyone?s plans in any meaningful way.
If you have any experience of being in a mosh pit at a Pantera concert (as I have, 15 times), you will be standing right next to Dan Browne at the starting gun.
Believe me, they are NOT going to delay the start because one asshole is refusing to "go back to the starting area for the recreational runners."
Use some of the US$3500 to buy some nice vibrating appliances for the wifey and I'm sure that she will understand the meaning of your task. If you are unable to satisfy her for a week after the race, send her to me and I will take care of her.
Jason
curious wrote:
my point is, doesn't this guy deserve a chance to go to the Trials to live his dream. from the start line to the finish line, he broke 2:22. why not let him go? who does it hurt. hell, he'd be going on his own dime.
No he doesn't derseve to go to the Trials. Gun time has always been the standard. Chip time is a relatively new feature which is for personal satisfaction. I've spoken with a guy who has run Chicago twice (2:25 and 2:19). He says there is no problem getting close to the start. He indicated many good regional runners lined up right behind the elite corral and last no more than 3 seconds. Pretend it's tne 1980s and you're not wearing a chip. Just be persistent and line up where you belong. Nobody's going to stop you (it's not the NYC Marathon, where you're treated like cattle).
Moral of the story: Gun time is official. Chip time is for personal satisfaction. Get your butt close to the line - it's not hard to do at Chicago.