LAGAT BUSTED!!!! - Kenya Daily Nation Article

greyhound wrote:

Lagat went from 3:40 to 3:26 very quickly and after college.I'm not supprised at all.

Yeah, the improvement from some of these guys is dramatic. They go to school in the US, show some promise, AND THEN the federation pulls them under their wings, like they do with those that showed promise much more quickly at home.

How does a guy who can't break 1:46 run 3:26? We know now.

Wait, it's all genetics. Sorry.

You all forget that Lagat trains in the good ol' USA and NOT in Kenya. Which should say something about your society and the corruption that it has brought him...if he indeed is guilty. What does that say about distance running in USA. Look at all of the druggies that USATF has covered up for. Keep casting stones but remember, Lagat is a product of the USA system, NOT the Kenyan system. No matter his genetics. By the way, I am NOT defending him, I am just stating the obvious.

Junkie wrote:

You all forget that Lagat trains in the good ol' USA and NOT in Kenya. Which should say something about your society and the corruption that it has brought him...if he indeed is guilty. What does that say about distance running in USA. Look at all of the druggies that USATF has covered up for. Keep casting stones but remember, Lagat is a product of the USA system, NOT the Kenyan system. No matter his genetics. By the way, I am NOT defending him, I am just stating the obvious.

Your being disingenuous. Lagat spends several MONTHS IN KENYA EACH YEAR. With the other Kenyans at their national injection, I mean, national training camp.

I am NOT in disagreement with you Chuckles. But really, where's the most likely place that Lagat could probably get his EPO shot. My first choice would be Tuscon over Nairobi. So we can deduce where the National Injection Center is at...most likely NOT in Kenya.

Junkie wrote:

I am NOT in disagreement with you Chuckles. But really, where's the most likely place that Lagat could probably get his EPO shot. My first choice would be Tuscon over Nairobi. So we can deduce where the National Injection Center is at...most likely NOT in Kenya.

Actually, it's easier to get most drugs "OTC/UTC" in the third world than it is in the West.

With Chepchumba getting popped, and with Rosa's (and others) rep, it's likely he usually juiced in Kenya.

In the US, those pesky spot testers do show up. Lagat had to be aware of that. In E. Africa, they don't show up. Well, not without fair warning. Not without travel hassles. And not without finding that the athlete has gone to some remote village where there isn't even a phone. : )

Lagat probably got a booster for his big showdown with El G, and his doctors didn't count on the test he was given, or misjudged the timing of his "treatment." His being caught was more accident than anything else.

I have been to kenya and have spent lots of time in these training camps and I saw no evidence of any doping and anytime...infact in the 2 months I was there the drug testers came three time to randomly test the big names.

Also the health and medical facilities would make you not want to take an asprin let alone an EPO jab.

My best guess is that these drugs are being taken or administered out side of Africa.

GO WADA!

injuredrunner wrote:

I have been to kenya and have spent lots of time in these training camps and I saw no evidence of any doping and anytime...infact in the 2 months I was there the drug testers came three time to randomly test the big names.

Also the health and medical facilities would make you not want to take an asprin let alone an EPO jab.

My best guess is that these drugs are being taken or administered out side of Africa.

GO WADA!

Yeah, sure.

OK...enough! Let's keep focused and on topic. This is a huge deal and could be a watershed for the sport. Ignore the racial trolling.

Don't jump down my throat, as I am here to ask a question. Who actually does the random, out of competition "spot testing"? If it is the IAAF or some other international organization, I see no difference between Lagat juicing in Kenya or Arizona (besides the obvious remote location, difficult to access and find the athletes to test, etc.). If it is left to the vices of each national federation (i.e., UST&F, etc.), then wouldn't Lagat be "safer" from Kenyan testers here in the good ole USA then in Kenya where he would be more susceptible to random, "out of competition" testing?

WADA, the world anti doping association.

The travel logistics in getting to E. African countries, and then reaching different locations are the reasons that it is easier to avoid a surprise visit in Kenya or Ethiopia. You have a much better chance of a guy showing up at your doorstep one morning in Tuscon, Munich, Tokyo or Melbourne than you do having them show up in E. Africa.

You may be a sceptic...but it is true.

I have spent two 2 month periods marathon training in camps near Eldoret. The camps are basiclly just shacks with electricty and no running water.

You should try it

Again GO WADA

Phoenix wrote:

lee wrote:

...and krum shares his coach...

Krum is coached by Luis De Oliveira. Lagat is coached by James Li. Two different people last time I checked. Before you implicate someone in a drug scandal get your facts straight. Oliveira coached Cruz to 1:41 before EPO.

It's Lassiter who trains (or at least did) with Lagat (remember the whole pacing scandal involving seneca last year).

injuredrunner wrote:

You may be a sceptic...but it is true.

I have spent two 2 month periods marathon training in camps near Eldoret. The camps are basiclly just shacks with electricty and no running water.

You should try it

Again GO WADA

All I've seen were pictures, but they weren't shacks. They were concrete blocks, with running water and electricity.

Of course, you can walk across the border from S. Cal into Tijuana and get steroid injections, all the while surrounded by filth. So the exterior conditions don't mean much if some "coach" is trucking things in.

Man our sport is really pathetic in some ways. Their are so many talented atheletes out there. We could have awesome legit races won in fast(not WR)times. But its not gonna happen. Lagat is caught but most wont be. I bet most top atheletes still feel the pressure to drug in order to compete for medals. Get your cycles done where you can't be spot tested, or use a drug that is undetected, if something goes wrong you can probably have a cover up. At first, while sad since Lagat was one of my favorite runners,I was glad that there was one less EPOer out there, but now I think its just a drop in the bucket.

This is huge news if true - it immediately makes me suspicious of the whole group of Kenyans, except for a few (for example, I think Paul Tergat is clean.) Another thing - who is Nike going to replace him with?

So where's the racism?

You're saying all people are held to the same standards? Do you live in a cell?

Because for years, the finger pointers in track have ONLY pointed at Europeans who ran afoul of testing, or at the Chinese. Meanwhile, every E. African is a genetic marvel. Then Chepchumba (Rosa protege) and now Lagat get popped. Where's there's smoke, there's fire.

Of course blacks will dominate in running. And of course, there are whites with the talent to reach to top. It's just that the differences you now see are magnified or exaggerated by drug use. It is a FACT that Young tested positive, the American federation did nothing. Same goes for Carl Lewis as it turns out, among others. Why are the sprinters protected? As was said before, money. TV loves them. Shoe companies love them. And the people in charge love the money generated. E. Africans seem to be protected by their own governments, who see winning races as a source of national pride. Most Americans could give a damn.

BTW, talk to some of the runners on the circuit, and some of the coaches. They are a great source of info. Much of it, you just can't repeatr here, but it will open your eyes.

Then don't get so panicky, dude.

After hearing this news, I think now I can officially say that all that was and still is so good and pure about track and field is no more. I don't know if it is possible to believe in any times anymore. Sad to say it, but I now have doubts about any time that was ever run or is ever going to be run. It seems like that everyday when I visit this site, I see a new headline saying some one new has just tested positive for EPO. No wonder track gets no respect. How can something be respected when all its greats are just drug users ( and yes I still love track and I do know that drug use is widespread in othersports).

I can't believe some of you are so stunned.

waterboy wrote:

After hearing this news, I think now I can officially say that all that was and still is so good and pure about track and field is no more. I don't know if it is possible to believe in any times anymore. Sad to say it, but I now have doubts about any time that was ever run or is ever going to be run. It seems like that everyday when I visit this site, I see a new headline saying some one new has just tested positive for EPO. No wonder track gets no respect. How can something be respected when all its greats are just drug users ( and yes I still love track and I do know that drug use is widespread in othersports).

Aw man, there you go sounding PC like some of the posts we've complained about. How could you have "doubts about any time that was ever run,"? Rono was loaded? Ryun was loaded? Shorter? Ovett? C'mon.