I don't know about 'personality' characteristics, but one 'physical' characteristic is a pair of nuts the size of Texas!
I don't know about 'personality' characteristics, but one 'physical' characteristic is a pair of nuts the size of Texas!
Lindgren?? Hello McFly wrote:
He did... look up Gerry Lindgren, then insert foot into mouth. Amazing just amazing
You see when I first read the following post. It struck me as being completely hilarious. I thought better to use the phrase "cute thought" and ask for proof. I had no desire to thrash the Gerry/Jogger. Note the Gerry/Jogger never responded. Why? Perhaps, the folly was discovered.
However, I was then attacked with a few derogatory posts. In an effort to be clever, I responded to the now classic reference to McFly directed at me. "Hello" the reason for my Back To The Future references in resonse as well as foot in mouth, moron etc. I admit, to a certain level crassness in dealing with unreasonable and completely irrational challenges.
So you force me to defend my request for proof and hence publicly thrash the post I first challenged. Lets examine the post together…….
Gerry/Jogger wrote:Could it be that there is a 4th aspect of running most of us don't know about? A secret?
I think YES! And the secret is (promise not to tell) orientation. The WHY of running. Most runners never develop a 'mission' for their effort. They fail to see themselves in terms of the history of track or the social history of the world. Runners can exert an enormous influence on other people that non-runners could never do. We have the opportunity to change behavior patterns. We can litterly change the world.
Look at the history of running in America for example. In 1960 there were a few runners; By 1980 there were millions of runners. What happened between 1960 and 1980 to cause that change? Someone out there decided that through running they could change the world. And it happened!
The 60's through the 80's were the GOLDEN AGE of running in America. We had MORE great distance runners than any country in the world.
Then we started looking introvertedly and the greatness faded away. We run for SELF now. Afraid to work too hard (injury) or too long (doesn't help you anyhow).
Ah! But remember, there is a secret (you promised not to tell): If you run unselfishly for the benefit, happiness, and welfare of other people (with nothing in it for you personally) you run better. MUCH BETTER!!!!
Gerry/Jogger wrote:Most runners never develop a 'mission' for their effort.
Gerry/Jogger here states this as fact. Therefore, burden of proof lies with Gerry/Jogger. (henceforth, referred to as G/J) Note the term “most runners” is plural and thus how can your continual presentations of “ONE” (questionable-needs proof) runner be proof. Not buying. I still seek legitimate proof.
Gerry/Jogger wrote:
They fail to see themselves in terms of the history of track or the social history of the world.
Are you a runner? Do you moronically fail to compare your effort and accomplishments against those of others? Do you as a runner moronically fail to see or social impact on those around you?... But,.........................................
What about the “SOCIAL HISTORY OF THE WORLD?” Are you that egocentric? According to G/J only the good runners are I guess? See any contradictions here? I wonder what Jung would have concluded here?
Gerry/Jogger wrote:
Runners can exert an enormous influence on other people that non-runners could never do.
WOW, where to begin? Was Ronald Reagen a runner? How about Margret Thatcher? Wait …. Steven Hawking ran what event? Wheelchairs competitors can be faster, but technically they are not runners they’re call aahhhh “wheelchair competitors.” Please ,just think about G/J’s statement.
Then Prove it.
--Also I might add this statement, as well several others, is a bit egocentric, thus conflicting with the probable overall message of the post. NOW...Try to prove a contradiction is true. Hence, I asked for proof.
Gerry/Jogger wrote:
We have the opportunity to change behavior patterns.
Read that again……ssssloooooowwwly. Really….Do it….Read it again. Behavior patterns of who? (self, others or both) I’ll leave the questions raised by “self” and “both” to you (they are hilarious to ponder, give it a try) and move on the probable intent of “others”……..
Gerry/Jogger wrote:
We have the opportunity to change behavior patterns.
Anyone does……to believe only runners do is again egocentric and again contradictory to the supposed fact of the post. I asked for proof.
Gerry/Jogger wrote:We can litterly change the world.
Read carefully here, and pick up after yourself. The litter you guys leave behind after a race is pathetic. Joking aside............ Change to what scale? Clarify and prove.
…….just how far are you in really going to stretch the feel good bologna. Sounds more like Special Ed Pedagogy or something quoted from Oprah. Remember this thought has no delimiting parameters. Again, the “we” is still caged in the thought that runners are more effective than non-runners. Don’t forget about the “self” and “both” with this thought either. Are runners changing the world by changing themselves or by changing others or both. Clarify and prove.
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Gerry/Jogger wrote:Look at the history of running in America for example. In 1960 there were a few runners; By 1980 there were millions of runners.
Ok, I'm on board lets go.
Gerry/Jogger wrote:What happened between 1960 and 1980 to cause that change?
Oh please, tell me.
Gerry/Jogger wrote:Someone out there decided that through running they could change the world.
WOW…..sounds like some more of that secular humanistic babble.
--We now illogically jumped back up in size to the world again.
--“Someone” is singular, therefore WHO? And prove it.
-- And how did we get to the singular anyway? I thought we were in the plural, no wonder guys were confused.
--OUT THERE … you bet it is. WAAAY out there.
--Out where? …. The WORLD or the US?
--What exactly was that change?
--Where was it implemented?
AND THEN
Gerry/Jogger wrote:And it happened!
Remember it’s a secret so SHHHH…it happened.
It certainly does.
Gerry/Jogger wrote: And it happened!
The 60's through the 80's were the GOLDEN AGE of running in America. We had MORE great distance runners than any country in the world.
Now that hat is possibly provable. Anything wrong with asking for proof?
But are the US runners of the GOLDEN AGE faster than US runners post GOLDEN AGE? Proof? IF NOT, does the message have any validity whatsoever?
Gerry/Jogger wrote:Then we started looking introvertedly and the greatness faded away. We run for SELF now. Afraid to work too hard (injury) or too long (doesn't help you anyhow).
PROOF?
Pre ran faster than Hall?
Hall runs for self?
Pre did not run for self?
How about….. just maybe ……. possibly..... more and more and more Africans upon seeing the success of their nations running trailblazers (1950-80’s) began developing running programs and RAPIDLY followed in their footsteps.
NO... NO.... NO……It was Lindgren. ……… Sorry, I forgot.
That’s all time I have for now? Thanks for the fun.
Sorry Gerry/Jogger, but I felt the need to defend my moronic request for proof.
Sure there are mental/psychiatric differences between world champions and say your typical collegiate runner. That being said, the biggest difference is physical. As much as we hate to admit it, biology plays a bigger role than anyone would want to admit.
I could have Lydiard, Squires, Daniels, as my personal coaches, train with Gaucher, Bekele, and Meb. and have Armstrong's army of nutritionists etc.. and I still would would never get close to World Class. Not because I wouldn't train hard, but because biology cursed me to be slow of foot (compared to World and National class runners.)
No amount of training or "wanting" would make me an Olympian. That's why Rocky movies are just that- movies.
Jizzmo wrote:
Sure there are mental/psychiatric differences between world champions and say your typical collegiate runner. That being said, the biggest difference is physical. As much as we hate to admit it, biology plays a bigger role than anyone would want to admit.
I could have Lydiard, Squires, Daniels, as my personal coaches, train with Gaucher, Bekele, and Meb. and have Armstrong's army of nutritionists etc.. and I still would would never get close to World Class. Not because I wouldn't train hard, but because biology cursed me to be slow of foot (compared to World and National class runners.)
No amount of training or "wanting" would make me an Olympian. That's why Rocky movies are just that- movies.
True but you miss the point. The discussion wasn't about what separates you from the elite. Of course its primarily physiological The question was about what personality traits separate lets say the top 100 from the next 800.
Old even then!! wrote:
Found this>>
Chicago, USA 2006 - Thirty years ago the top sports medicine specialists and exercise physiologists met in New York on New York City Marathon weekend to participate in the landmark New York Academy of Sciences conference titled: The Marathon: Physiological, Medical, Epidemiological, and Psychological Studies. The proceedings of the conference were published in the New York Academy of Sciences Journal special edition, a 1090 page book with a blue cover that became a treasured resource of what was known at the time about endurance athletes.
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http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=36622.htmlThe complete study-1090 pages for about three cents a page.
http://www.amazon.com/Marathon-Physiological-Epidemiological-Psychological-Sciences/dp/0890720479/sr=11-1/qid=1167493746/ref=sr_11_1/104-3457695-5595963
Thank you for providing this! I just picked it up from my library, and it looks fairly comprehensive. All the research up to 1977-- wow. I even caught a glimpse of what looked like Frank Shorter in nothing but running shoes and a jockstrap! My oh my!