True, Grant Fisher and Charles Hicks have been complete jokes
Ky Robinson has been pathetic as well.
And some guy named Cole Sprout ran 7:42 / 13:24 / 27:42 at Stanford. Terrible.
You can clearly run fast at Stanford. And most powerhouse schools have big-name recruits that don't pan out for all kinds of different reasons. Very few transfer out probably due to some combo of the value of the degree plus being happy with the school/program.
But I'll acknowledge that Santos seems to have more flame-outs than most, though I haven't seen any numbers comparing to other schools so maybe it's not statistically true. I do know that Stanford men have had a rough go lately. This year they didn't qualify for Nationals in cross country for the first time in 30+ years. If that continues given the talent they get, it'll be time to move on from Santos.
True, Grant Fisher and Charles Hicks have been complete jokes
Ky Robinson has been pathetic as well.
Ky Robinson and Grant Fisher were amazing at Stanford but also improved A TON right after leaving. They are just tremendous talents that could still do well, but not live to their greatest potential at Stanford. Exceptions to the rule
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
They can chase the dream for as long as they want, and they won’t be competing in fun runs.
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
And all the people saying " they have a stanford degree, they'll be fine", this was not about- will they end up homeless or not. Of course their lives should be successful.
It's simply that they have not progressed as their amazing early high school times suggested they very well might. They are clearly massive talents.
And I don't think it's hating on them.It's simply stating facts. It's too bad, but not the end of the world. Of course many, many other massive talents have failed to realize their seeming potential also.
I'm sure they had olympic dreams, as anyone with that kind of talent would have. And of course, it's always disappointing when you put in so many hours of your life and the dream that seemed very reachable quickly falls apart.
A shame, but dreams don't always become reality. Even if letsrun says so. 🤦♂️
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Ky Robinson and Grant Fisher were amazing at Stanford but also improved A TON right after leaving. They are just tremendous talents that could still do well, but not live to their greatest potential at Stanford. Exceptions to the rule
Now you're just reaching. Some criticism of Santos may or may not be warranted (see my earlier post), but Ky Robinson was not on anyone's radar when he got to Stanford and ended up winning two NCAA titles. Charles Hicks wasn't a big-name recruit either, and he had the altitude tent and all that in high school. Santos should get some credit for their success if he's going to take the blame for others' lack of success. I won't bother addressing Fisher because that was under a different coach.
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
And all the people saying " they have a stanford degree, they'll be fine", this was not about- will they end up homeless or not. Of course their lives should be successful.
It's simply that they have not progressed as their amazing early high school times suggested they very well might. They are clearly massive talents.
And I don't think it's hating on them.It's simply stating facts. It's too bad, but not the end of the world. Of course many, many other massive talents have failed to realize their seeming potential also.
I'm sure they had olympic dreams, as anyone with that kind of talent would have. And of course, it's always disappointing when you put in so many hours of your life and the dream that seemed very reachable quickly falls apart.
A shame, but dreams don't always become reality. Even if letsrun says so. 🤦♂️
It’s not a Lex and Leo thread without a half dozen seething replies saying “WELL THEY HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE! YOU HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE?”
Like cool, how many NCAA finals did they make with their future Stanford degrees?😎
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
And all the people saying " they have a stanford degree, they'll be fine", this was not about- will they end up homeless or not. Of course their lives should be successful.
It's simply that they have not progressed as their amazing early high school times suggested they very well might. They are clearly massive talents.
And I don't think it's hating on them.It's simply stating facts. It's too bad, but not the end of the world. Of course many, many other massive talents have failed to realize their seeming potential also.
I'm sure they had olympic dreams, as anyone with that kind of talent would have. And of course, it's always disappointing when you put in so many hours of your life and the dream that seemed very reachable quickly falls apart.
A shame, but dreams don't always become reality. Even if letsrun says so. 🤦♂️
It’s not a Lex and Leo thread without a half dozen seething replies saying “WELL THEY HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE! YOU HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE?”
Like cool, how many NCAA finals did they make with their future Stanford degrees?😎
You're surprised that people have perspective instead of trying to seethe about two 21 year olds who are both smarter and faster than almost everyone who posts here? Like cool, bizarre thing to be smug about
Only a moron should think that education should not take precedence. Don't know these young men, but with a Stanford degree they have a good base to spring from for the rest of their lives.
Only a moron should think that education should not take precedence. Don't know these young men, but with a Stanford degree they have a good base to spring from for the rest of their lives.
For sure, they can train as hard as they need to reach their potential and also graduate. It’s been done before.
It’s not a Lex and Leo thread without a half dozen seething replies saying “WELL THEY HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE! YOU HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE?”
Like cool, how many NCAA finals did they make with their future Stanford degrees?😎
You're surprised that people have perspective instead of trying to seethe about two 21 year olds who are both smarter and faster than almost everyone who posts here? Like cool, bizarre thing to be smug about
THEY HAVE STANFUHD DEGREE! DON’T TALK ABOUT THEIR RUNNING CAREERS ON LETSRUN, TALK ABOUT STANFUHD DEGREE!
Stanford is the graveyard for high school track legends. They get tons of talent and somehow most of them fizzle at Stanford.
Was a bit surprised to see Quinn Sullivan commit to Stanford. Kid is a massive talent and I would hate to see it go to waste
What a waste of potential going to Stanford when he could spend four years of his life running around in circles at Eugene or Flagstaff Community Colleges.
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
And all the people saying " they have a stanford degree, they'll be fine", this was not about- will they end up homeless or not. Of course their lives should be successful.
It's simply that they have not progressed as their amazing early high school times suggested they very well might. They are clearly massive talents.
And I don't think it's hating on them.It's simply stating facts. It's too bad, but not the end of the world. Of course many, many other massive talents have failed to realize their seeming potential also.
I'm sure they had olympic dreams, as anyone with that kind of talent would have. And of course, it's always disappointing when you put in so many hours of your life and the dream that seemed very reachable quickly falls apart.
A shame, but dreams don't always become reality. Even if letsrun says so. 🤦♂️
Nico has RD degree and has the potential to make much more compared to the twins and their “undeclared/general studies” degree. Nico also made the better choice in running schools.
Only a moron should think that education should not take precedence. Don't know these young men, but with a Stanford degree they have a good base to spring from for the rest of their lives.
you make it sound like a fate worse than death if they don't turn pro. aside from a tiny collection of elite runners making big bucks, the life of a pro runner, especially in the US, is awful. no money, no health insurance, no retirement, constant mental and physical strain, all for a few fleeting moments of glory, maybe a PR at some turkey trot or a podium finish at Stumptown in front of 10 people. and every day some high school phenom comes along and runs circles around you emphasizing how futile your efforts are. most quietly limp away in their early 30's; no savings, no skills, nothing but a few dusty trophies on their wall.
maybe topping out in college and avoiding all this is a blessing in disguise.
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
And all the people saying " they have a stanford degree, they'll be fine", this was not about- will they end up homeless or not. Of course their lives should be successful.
It's simply that they have not progressed as their amazing early high school times suggested they very well might. They are clearly massive talents.
And I don't think it's hating on them.It's simply stating facts. It's too bad, but not the end of the world. Of course many, many other massive talents have failed to realize their seeming potential also.
I'm sure they had olympic dreams, as anyone with that kind of talent would have. And of course, it's always disappointing when you put in so many hours of your life and the dream that seemed very reachable quickly falls apart.
A shame, but dreams don't always become reality. Even if letsrun says so. 🤦♂️
I haven't the slightest idea what they prefer to do with their lives and honestly don't care, nor should anyone outside their immediate family. my point is by getting degrees now they have options which may set themselves up for a better future than a pro runner. sometimes the path you're on detours and takes you to something even better. you never know.
and as far as their lack of success at Stanford, yeah, to someone who followed them thru high school its a bit disappointing they haven't equalled or surpassed Nico, but it's not the tragedy some people on this message board make it out to be. 99.9999% of elite high school runners will never even come close to making an Olympic team. they've been around this sport long enough to know that.
I get a bit defensive when people on this board get on them because my co workers wife went to Stanford and it took her over a decade to pay off her loans. Lex and Leo won't have to worry about that. Believe me, that makes a HUGE difference, so even if they do nothing else in this sport, all those hours of hard work were absolutely worth it.