Hoops wrote:
I never thought he was a villain. BA cofounded the Weather Underground, but overall he is probably a decent guy.
Bill Ayers co-founded the Weather Underground.
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Interesting to see the donors in the GoFundMe include parents of many former and some current female runners on the FM team, and runners themselves -
Chapman, Fanning, Taylor, Brislin, Crawford, Mann, Link (Winer), Herriman (Shedlock), Slaby, Watson, Grassl, Anklin, Eraso (Hauser), Walters, Hooley, Burdick, Martin, Manny, Sischo, Saada, Buchan, and last but especially not least considering the context some have used to try and detract Bill...Carter.
Interesting. Seems like Bill has widespread support from past female runners spanning over decades of rosters.
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Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
$22,000 raised in two days with a goal of $100,000 should be a red flag for the parents pushing this. In the 1990s, the Kranicks sued some parents who made similar allegations and were awarded $75,000. I would not be surprised if some FM parents will lose their homes. The factor of damages here is much higher.
And how are the Kranicks doing these days, Dr. Bob?
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Whoa wrote:
i'm good on donating to a guy i watched publicly berate his athletes after winning a state championship because they didn't win by as much as he wanted. perfectly sane behavior for high school sports, right?
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Sure you did.
BTW I have seen that with MANY coaches from a variety of sports. Including making football guys run back and forth across the field after the game, not because they won by a little, but because they played like crap
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ummm lol wrote:
i'm good on donating to a guy i watched publicly berate his athletes after winning a state championship because they didn't win by as much as he wanted. perfectly sane behavior for high school sports, right?
And?? States isn’t Nationals. If there were runners who didn’t run up to their potential or were off their time then yeah of course the coach will call them out. Because come regionals or even nationals they need to do better. It’s called coaching !
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You are clueless wrote:
ummm lol wrote:
i'm good on donating to a guy i watched publicly berate his athletes after winning a state championship because they didn't win by as much as he wanted. perfectly sane behavior for high school sports, right?
And?? States isn’t Nationals. If there were runners who didn’t run up to their potential or were off their time then yeah of course the coach will call them out. Because come regionals or even nationals they need to do better. It’s called coaching !
Will disagree here, that's not called coaching. Aris stayed in the game too long and apparently got complacent and arrogant.
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kljw wrote:
You are clueless wrote:
And?? States isn’t Nationals. If there were runners who didn’t run up to their potential or were off their time then yeah of course the coach will call them out. Because come regionals or even nationals they need to do better. It’s called coaching !
Will disagree here, that's not called coaching. Aris stayed in the game too long and apparently got complacent and arrogant.
Disagree. Your opinion is in the minority and you obviously don’t know him
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kljw wrote:
You are clueless wrote:
And?? States isn’t Nationals. If there were runners who didn’t run up to their potential or were off their time then yeah of course the coach will call them out. Because come regionals or even nationals they need to do better. It’s called coaching !
Will disagree here, that's not called coaching. Aris stayed in the game too long and apparently got complacent and arrogant.
Unless you won more championships than he did and coaches hundreds of kids you are in no position to talk about how to coach.
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former and current FM girls wrote:
The community support on social media is huge. Everyone knows its just a couple of whiny parents causing this circus. They support Bill by and large on the posts.
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Tell Herb Brooks that. I think he did a pretty good job, wouldn't you say?
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So did Bella karoli…
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If these allegations are true by all means discipline Aris. But if these are lies , then the complainers should be brought to justice . Not just a million dollar financial settlement but criminal charges ; perjury , offering a false instrument for filing , fraud . Incarcerate them to Keep society safe . Ain’t no one got time for whiney weasels
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stop your lies wrote:
Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
$22,000 raised in two days with a goal of $100,000 should be a red flag for the parents pushing this. In the 1990s, the Kranicks sued some parents who made similar allegations and were awarded $75,000. I would not be surprised if some FM parents will lose their homes. The factor of damages here is much higher.
Shame on you for suggesting and even rooting for the accusers to lose their homes. It sounds like a threat made to silence them anyone contacted by the investigators.
I have no connection to FM but it appears that the accusers have raised their concerns in the proper way. They have a legal right to share their experiences and seek an investigation. They are not speaking publicly about it thus are protected from slander and libel countersuits.
Aris should encourage an investigation if there is nothing for him to hide. It is disgusting for you to threaten the accusers (aka the victims).
It's not a threat - it's our adversarial legal system.
Aris has a right to defend himself in the civil courts.
If the parents lose, their homes may be used to pay a settlement.
Any good attorney would let the parents know this up front.
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Not relevant data wrote:
How would any of this absolve him of wrongdoings?
What evidence of wrongdoing have you?
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Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
If these allegations are true by all means discipline Aris. But if these are lies , then the complainers should be brought to justice . Not just a million dollar financial settlement but criminal charges ; perjury , offering a false instrument for filing , fraud . Incarcerate them to Keep society safe . Ain’t no one got time for whiney weasels
Libel/defamation.
If they have sufficient assets to pay a judgment, they can keep their homes.
Maybe one parent can keep a home, and rent rooms out.
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Aletheia wrote:
Be advised that all comments within this thread are being saved for discovery.
So, maybe FM Parents to Axe Aris shouldn't post here...?
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stop your lies wrote:
Aletheia wrote:
Be advised that all comments within this thread are being saved for discovery.
It is sick that the defenders of Aris are threatening people with lawsuits just for trying to figure out what is going on.
I am assuming that Aris has done nothing wrong but it's a really dirty tactic to threaten people from being able to share their experiences or ask questions.
You have one poster conflating accusers with victims.
Whether there are victims is what the investigation is supposed to determine.
You don't get to make allegations and not let a man defend himself.
This isn't the Spanish Inquisition.
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nix nxn wrote:
Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
If these allegations are true by all means discipline Aris. But if these are lies , then the complainers should be brought to justice . Not just a million dollar financial settlement but criminal charges ; perjury , offering a false instrument for filing , fraud . Incarcerate them to Keep society safe . Ain’t no one got time for whiney weasels
Libel/defamation.
If they have sufficient assets to pay a judgment, they can keep their homes.
Maybe one parent can keep a home, and rent rooms out.
He is the most famous high school coach in the country. This story is being covered world wide. It killed any chance of him writing a Jack Daniel’s type book, or going to clinics. His damages are in the millions. Plus libel isn’t covered by insurance and can’t be discharged in bankruptcy. If these parents can’t back up the bluster they are in huge financial trouble.
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