Sage Canaday Reports Cam Hanes to USADA After 58-Year-Old’s 2:39 Eugene Marathon

USADA has a list of prohibited substances. Cam has a stack of Anabolics, pro hormones, and supplements that are all on the prohibited list. He has also been documenting his Anabolic use for over 20years on blogs, Reddit.

The RD of Eugene Marathon could decide to scrub his result on the basis of fair sport. Cam has been transparent with these banned substance use saying things like "I don't do this for money." You can't pick and choose it's written rule for all levels/divisions.

Is hearsay enough to get this guy? Admission of usage but no lab test results? I hope he does go down. Hopefully can also target N Bare next... these supplement shill s misleading people so bad

They need to get his son next and then go after N Bare.

Should Kip Litton be looked into too? would need to be exhumed

I think the response to Cam Hanes and Seth Clevenger show that there's a very strong anti-doping culture in the sub-elite levels of the sport in the US. Among Masters runners, ultra runners, and even all the way up to NCAA D1, the clear majority of athletes are horrified by any PED use.

Two 60 year old men in my family started seeing Dr. Feelgood the past few years. Both of them dabbled in exercise throughout their lives. One even ran sub 3:00 for a marathon 30 years ago. They both play around with weights but were never serious. Basically, at any point in time over the past 20 years, they've ranged from "that guy looks like he works out a bit" to dad bod depending on what they've been up to.

As of the past three-ish years, they've both gotten relatively jacked. My uncle's calf muscles look like mine did when I was 20 and running college track, busting with veins. When I asked him what he's up to in the gym he's like, "Oh, I just follow some old plan 3 times a week."

I know Sage is involved so that may be triggering to a certain # of posters but age group doping is the wild wild west & I'd love to see more people caught. On top of that, the Hanes types are often-times monetizing off of superficial results. That's a problem. & they are taking race slots from some people -- elite entries at local races, seeded start corrals, Boston, etc. I'm in triathlon now & so many wealthy 40+ year olds with money are so obviously taking whatever they can get their hands on, trying to cheat death. They're never going to get tested & some of them will land results that are pro adjacent/take a World Champs slot from a deserving athlete. Sick of it. We're being pedaled more & more every kind of supplement, testosterone, & similar things to try to get people to have a body considered good looking when most of America isn't fit. It's disappointing showing up, even to local races, & not feeling good about who is around you. Easy to say just tune it all out, but some of us want to see where we stack up. Gotta normalize aging/decline in athletics. It's ok to not run your best. Run your best at 40, at 50, at 60, etc.

So many posters writing that injection of drugs is good and proper.

Bottom line, Hanes probably didn’t mean any harm and doesn’t see himself as competitive as much as a Goggins type grinder(for no better reason than self punishment) and being far from the sharpest tool in the shed, didn’t(maybe doesn’t) fully comprehend the unfairness of what he is doing, nor its effects on fellow racers. Hate him if it pleases you, but it’s like hating a dog for not understanding math.

I don’t follow Cam Hanes, but there’s also a huge problem when an influencer is using PEDs. As someone who does not use performance enhancing drugs, how does his advice apply to me? Assuming that they work, a lot of their benefits have to do with recovery, Which means Cam can follow a plan that would leave a natural athlete injured or overtrained.

Then you have all of the people who do spend the money on these performance, enhancing drugs, none of which should be considered safe when used in the manner in which he is using them.

That means his recommendations would either be harmful to a natural athlete or encourage dangerous and expensive behavior consumption of PEDs. Either way his influence is harmful.

Events that increase his reach also increase the amount of harm he causes.

He’s been running for years. It’s not like he just started running a few months ago. He very well understands the sport but doesn’t respect it as it would go against his manosphere persona. Disrespect here stems from his own insecurities.

See username. Unfortunately dopping is completely normalized among amateur ultrarunners. A couple of years ago on the ultra- and trail- subbreddits, everbody openely talked about taking antinflammatory drugs or painkillers to reduce perceived effort.

We don't see it as much anymore because redditors caught on to the health risks, but I'm sure it's still extremely common among the general population.

I don't understand how people can be so casual about cheating. Especially that they have nothing to win anyway, which paradoxally is probably what makes them think that it's ok.

This is the kind of thing most people should be concerned about. Doping for podiums is one thing, but it doesn't directly affect the masses. As more & more people try to qualify for Boston (and other majors), and the times get lower & lower, the pressure to take banned substances is only going to grow. We'll eventually reach a tipping point where most people feel that it's the only way to achieve those times. Since the perception is that everyone else is doing it, I might as well too if I ever want to be on the line in Hopkinton. That'll be a sad day.

I heard the drugs make people spell in strange ways.

If that’s true then Rojo is doped TO THE GILLS!

The bear hunting comments are pretty off-base—bear meat is actually excellent. If the argument is about understanding hunting for food, then that should be part of the conversation too. Not to mention, hunting is extremely important to conservation as a whole.

But setting that aside, what’s the actual point you’re trying to make? Cam isn’t a professional athlete. Having sponsors doesn’t automatically make someone a professional in the competitive sense—if that’s the benchmark, it’s a misunderstanding of how sport works.

He’s running races because he enjoys it, just like a lot of guys his age who use TRT or other methods to stay active and healthy. He’s also never suggested that professional athletes should follow his approach, because that would obviously cross into cheating.
At the end of the day, this feels less like a principled argument and more like misdirected criticism.

What's the worst that happens? They remove his name from a list of finishers and you feel good because you finish one place higher? Congrats!

My statement is correct. Sage has been hyper-fixating the past couple of years on “big time run influencers” that has 3x, 5x, 10x his following and reach on YouTube and social media.

people don’t care about his dorky skits, Gen X satire, or consistent trail running DNF’s anymore. His trope of “imo” and then goes on to rant about xyz about someone’s training vs what his run coaching offers is extremely tiring. As the sphere of online coaches and influencers grow, Sage takes up less and less real estate.

You twiggy runners are so jealous. You just can't stand that REAL MEN with hard bodies and warrior beast mentalities are out here dominating through sheer determination and hard work alone.

None of you could do what a real hybrid athletes does, even with all the steroids in the world. We're a special breed. Real blue collar stuff. While you twigs are out jogging or whatever, I'm doing a 1 hr crab walk, followed by 30 minutes of throwing a 50 pound rock around the yard. While you're lazing around taking care of your kids, I'm taking a focused sauna/ice bath and reciting my mantra. While all you lames are "working" at your "jobs", I'm posting about my exercise on social media and selling merch with killer motivational slogans. You all probably drive Priuses; I drive a monster truck so big that my sexy wife needs to give me a boost to get in. (I'm 5'5.)

Get a life, you girly-men dorks.

Proverbs 27:2

Maybe you could start a separate “here are the reasons I hate Sage Canaday” thread and then go away?