Fisher, Hocker, Klecker all set PRs indoors; others very close to their outdoor PRs.
Don't say they are close to being the same shape now as in summer. Just don't go there. It is the banked turns. An indoor banked turn takes less energy than an outdoor non-banked turn.
That's mechanical assist, and well beyond how it was in the past. Indoor is faster, and if it was the main event instead of the offseason, all the WRs would be there, 800m to 10,000m
If Parker Wolfe goes sub 13, he too will have set his PR indoors during base phase.
Have you ever run on a banked indoor track? Lane 1 is only the slightest of bank. The turns are tight and tough at fast paces, but the tracks return more energy.
It does seem like 3k+ the track surface does start to make indoor faster. But we can stop with the hyperbole. No one of note has a 800 PR that is faster indoors. And that's not going to change.
no surface can "return energy" in a way that makes you run forward faster. That's the same cartoon physics as super shoes.
Turn banking has a significant effect, even when slight.
800m elites rarely TT indoors after college. But if they started taking it more seriously, you'd see PRs from them too. I think Hoey has figured this out and wants the first 1:41i.
but look, Cole Hocker could run a 7:15 3000 and they still wouldn't admit it's the turns, they'd just call him the GOAT. Then they'd go back to wondering why the sport is so marginal
Fisher, Hocker, Klecker all set PRs indoors; others very close to their outdoor PRs.
Don't say they are close to being the same shape now as in summer. Just don't go there. It is the banked turns. An indoor banked turn takes less energy than an outdoor non-banked turn.
That's mechanical assist, and well beyond how it was in the past. Indoor is faster, and if it was the main event instead of the offseason, all the WRs would be there, 800m to 10,000m
If Parker Wolfe goes sub 13, he too will have set his PR indoors during base phase.
Have you ever run on a banked indoor track? Lane 1 is only the slightest of bank. The turns are tight and tough at fast paces, but the tracks return more energy.
It does seem like 3k+ the track surface does start to make indoor faster. But we can stop with the hyperbole. No one of note has a 800 PR that is faster indoors. And that's not going to change.
I was expecting faster. It's nice to tick off the sub-13, but this doesn't move the needle regarding Wolfe's chances to make a US team going forward. That said, lots can change and he's still young, of course.
This is good data. Wolfe’s strength is at the 5k distance and a championship style 5k race. Blanks has a huge engine and is probably best around 5k/10k in fast race. It’s a shame Wolfe was not in either of the 5ks at BU where Blanks broke the NCAA 5k record and then next year went sub 13 basically solo. He is as good as anyone on the strength side and can run 60’s all day. In a time trial type 5k I would take Blanks. Different runners have different strengths and styles.
Have you ever run on a banked indoor track? Lane 1 is only the slightest of bank. The turns are tight and tough at fast paces, but the tracks return more energy.
It does seem like 3k+ the track surface does start to make indoor faster. But we can stop with the hyperbole. No one of note has a 800 PR that is faster indoors. And that's not going to change.
no surface can "return energy" in a way that makes you run forward faster. That's the same cartoon physics as super shoes.
Turn banking has a significant effect, even when slight.
800m elites rarely TT indoors after college. But if they started taking it more seriously, you'd see PRs from them too. I think Hoey has figured this out and wants the first 1:41i.
but look, Cole Hocker could run a 7:15 3000 and they still wouldn't admit it's the turns, they'd just call him the GOAT. Then they'd go back to wondering why the sport is so marginal
No one, including Hocker, will ever run 7:15, indoors or out. Ingebrigtsen’s record is the best distance record on the books. If Hocker did run an indoor 7:15, he would indeed be the GOAT.
He's finally going to get that Olympic/Worlds qualifier... in a non-championship year :(
What’s the significance of it being a non-championship year? Several Americans will run faster than 12:59 during the outdoor season.
I think that fan is lamenting 2024, when Wolfe finished 3rd at the Trials but missed out on the Olympics because he didn't have the qualifying time (nor the world ranking points).
He has had a good run. He turns 34 this fall. Things start slowing down once you get in your 30s on up. He may be able to road race
If he’s past his prime on the track, it will be the same thing on the roads.
Time seems to be running out on Kincaid's career, but he might still be able to have some success in 5k-10k road races. The competition generally isn't as tough in the domestic road racing circuit at those distances. Here are some top 5 finishers from last year:
USATF 5k Road Championships
Olin Hacker
Casey Clinger
Ahmed Muhumed
Kirubel Erassa
Skylar Stidam
USATF 4-Mile Road Championships
Alex Maier
Casey Clinger
Biya Simbassa
Charles Hicks
Brian Barraza
Carlsbad 5k
Sam Atkin
Brian Barraza
Arturs Medveds
Luke Combs
Dan Michalski
With all due respect to those guys, Kincaid would have a better chance racing them than he does against the likes of Hocker, Fisher, Nico, Blanks, and Wolfe.
Good, not great from Wolfe. Probably could have found a few seconds with some comp but really shows how insane the 12:44 Fisher did last year with less pacing help.
And Fisher had no pacing lights plus had to work around a lot of traffic and didn’t have a pacer for as long. Mind boggling focus and ability to push through pain for a World Indoor Record.