It isnt 1960 anymore, the lines are blurred and forcing archaic rules to maintain the "purity" of the sport is an even bigger joke now than it ever was. And it always was.
It's very simple. He's in high school and he's running track meets. Those are times by a high school student, and therefore high school records. Just because the times aren't run in high school meets doesn't mean they aren't being run by a high school kid.
I mean, there are no official national high school records since there is no national body for high school athletics, so Lutkenhaus's time should count for whoever wants to count it as a record.
It's very simple. He's in high school and he's running track meets. Those are times by a high school student, and therefore high school records. Just because the times aren't run in high school meets doesn't mean they aren't being run by a high school kid.
Also weird that whether he gets paid or not has anything to do with if a high school student runs a certain race time
If I were a future fast high schooler and I ran a 'national record' that wasn't faster than what he's doing, I wouldn't think of it as a high school national record.
Exactly. Everyone knows that the real HSRs belong to Lutkenhaus. The fact that he was not running for his HS is basically meaningless.
Even if the current records he is setting don't count, he has the only one that matters:
I think thats a very fair point, especially since some states don't allow NIL like Texas. It doesn't seem fair to make a high schooler choose between their historical legacy and money today.
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Exactly. Everyone knows that the real HSRs belong to Lutkenhaus. The fact that he was not running for his HS is basically meaningless.
Even if the current records he is setting don't count, he has the only one that matters:
the legendary outdoor 800m hs record.
Exactly. Just like Ryun’s legendary ‘65 mile record against Snell, and Webb’s jaw-dropper while chasing El G. And Coop’s record is more amazing than what those two did, to me anyway.
What is the purpose of these rules? I’m going to start with the premise that the people making the rules had a legitimate purpose when they were made. Was it in the hope that even high level HS athletes would still be real students?
Quincy competes for a school. Cooper competes for a brand. This isn't that complicated. He could have just stayed as a Nike Elite Athlete, gotten the swag and his travel paid for to go to NIN and NON and continued to compete for his high school but wanted the money and forfeited that opportunity to compete in high school events in the same way Quin Ewers (fellow Texan) did when he enrolled early at Ohio State and took the million dollars NIL. Northwest ISD would've made arrangements for Cooper to graduate in three years and nike would've been waiting for him to give him an NIL deal similar to the deal they gave Jane and he could've at that point still competed in college athletics. When he signed the paper, he forfeited the High school and NCAA record opportunities and got sequestered to only Age Group Records.
Erriyon Knighton ha The top 10 Performances in the 200 for High Schoolers but then Track and Field News took him off Entirely, not sure if it was because he was professional when he ran those times or because of his drug suspension and theey retroactively annulled those times.
Erriyon Knighton ha The top 10 Performances in the 200 for High Schoolers but then Track and Field News took him off Entirely, not sure if it was because he was professional when he ran those times or because of his drug suspension and theey retroactively annulled those times.
Erriyon Knighton still dominates the World Junior 200 list, So I guess they took down his High School Times Because he was Professional, Here is the World Junior 200 List
Erriyon Knighton ha The top 10 Performances in the 200 for High Schoolers but then Track and Field News took him off Entirely, not sure if it was because he was professional when he ran those times or because of his drug suspension and theey retroactively annulled those times.
Quincy competes for a school. Cooper competes for a brand. This isn't that complicated. He could have just stayed as a Nike Elite Athlete, gotten the swag and his travel paid for to go to NIN and NON and continued to compete for his high school but wanted the money and forfeited that opportunity to compete in high school events in the same way Quin Ewers (fellow Texan) did when he enrolled early at Ohio State and took the million dollars NIL. Northwest ISD would've made arrangements for Cooper to graduate in three years and nike would've been waiting for him to give him an NIL deal similar to the deal they gave Jane and he could've at that point still competed in college athletics. When he signed the paper, he forfeited the High school and NCAA record opportunities and got sequestered to only Age Group Records.
Quincy Wilson, despite technically competing directly for a high school team, definitely competes for a brand. He is not a high school amateur athlete in the classic sense by any stretch of the imagination. The kid literally just had a New Balance shoe released called the Quincy Wilson FuelCell Supercomp MD-X v3. How is that situation possible if Quincy's athletic successes are not intrinsically tied to the New Balance brand? Cooper Lutkenhaus has a point. https://www.newbalance.com/pd/quincy-wilson-fuelcell-supercomp-md-x-v3/UELRSV3_RU-FTW-842210.html
Agree that Age Group and NFHS records are the simplest way to go. When you see a person's age, you can assume hs up to 19. NFHS can have their rules, it's their organization that all states adopt.
I don't know why Cooper would care at this point. He is a pro that is training and racing like a pro to get better against the best pros not against TX high schoolers who aren't. Socially and emotionally, he's still a kid. However, he chose to leave that realm/NFHS rules. Does anyone really care about the national jh/middle school records? Who wont remember Cooper was 16 when he went pro? Just put the age next to the name and record. Two lists aren't that hard to keep track of. Look at the one that matters to you. Compare if you want to.