Fam running 65-70mpw=27:37 10k

I don't think padilla is a genetic freak, he was about a 4:30 guy in high school, not a 4:06 guy off little training like a sophmore webb

Doug Padilla ran 4:10.x his freshman year (fall, '74) at Chabot College for the full mile. He had amazing speed; in workouts he would regularly run 22-23 sec 200m.

derej (who only saw the back of Padilla in those workouts)

I disagree. I think people tend to "hide" the amount of mileage they are doing to preclude their competitors from gaining an advantage, not overexaggerate their actual miles. But I would agree that different training works for different people. The guys I knew who could run 13:50 5ks off of low mileage invariably got injured when they jacked up the mileage. But again, you will never convince me that a guy can run 27:30 off of a steady diet of 65 miles a week. Especially a non-African.

Correction: the full mile was Spring, 1975. (right before Doug left on his Mormon mission).

Ned Ryerson wrote:

all it says is that to run that kind of time you need tens of thousands of miles behind you.

and keep in mind that the guys running a minute faster run 120-150 mpw.

You're not the Ned Ryerson who used to coach hockey and teach middle school anthropology, are you?

Has anyone ever considered that different people respond differently to mileage levels?

Example: I ran 35-40 mpw for my first two years of high school. Never broke 18:00 for 5k. Bumped my mileage up to 70 mpw by my senior year and ran slightly under 16:00 my senior year - body handled it, no injuries. One of my friends who was a 17:00 5k guy as a sophomore joined me at that mileage and it ended his junior season from injuries and just poor performances overall. He returned to 50 (that's 30% less mileage - that's like 100 vs 70) and ran as fast as I did in races our senior year. Imagine that two different people might respond differently...

Allan wrote:

If they are a high mileage believer, they will believe anyone when they say they are doing high mileage, but they won't believe someone saying they are doing lower mileage.

Buddy, this sentence is an absolute cluster f***. How many different groups of people are you classifying as "they" in this sentence? Holy shit.

Fam will talk about big plans and run some promising races. Good thing there's no championship because then he'd be making excuses for being knocked out of the prelim after an 8:32. Repeat process every year.

Ex-World XC Champ John Ngugi retired for a few years and ran zero miles. He gained 60ish pounds and topped the scales at 205. Then he decided to make a comeback. After a couple of months of running 200 plus mile weeks, he ran a 30 minute 10k while weighing about 185 pounds. I share this to make the point that talent, fitness and hard training are very relative terms.

Can somebody run 27:30 off of 65 miles per week---no doubt. Can Fam? Maybe, but I doubt it.

((By the way, if anybody has a link to Ngugi in one of his old singlets and shorts when he was still 45 pound overweight, please post it!!!))

Fam running 65-70mpw=27:37 10k

DOES NOT COMPUTE...WARNING....WARNING......

Meb ran his 5k and 10k PB off 80-90mpw

ERROR....ERROR....

[Letsrun Robot begins to smoke]

Doug Padilla ran 13:15 on 50mpw

BEEP....BEEP....DANGER...MALFUNCTION......

[Letsrun Robot explodes]

First I'd like to take this opportunity to thank those who defend me and other elites on these boards so often. Most of us don't tend to come on or write on the message boards at all due to the unbelievable amounts of negativity. So here is a dose of some positivity.

I'm a very open and forthcoming individual when it comes to interviews. I try not to hide anything or exaggerate. I also try to give information that is valuable to all of those who run competitively and read these interviews. There is a ton of misinformation out there especially on these message boards. I am trying to help (like Wejo) those who truly are interested in becoming great...greater than me or any current U.S. runner. This is one major reason I have developed my new short film, “Run Like Hell".

So in an effort to cut through the bull I will post my training log for this year as an added bonus to the DVD. That should settle any arguments. I'd like to also apologize to anyone who has gone to my new website looking for a movie trailer...it will be up shortly.

Wejo see you in Indianapolis. -fam

for real real? wrote:

Allan wrote:

If they are a high mileage believer, they will believe anyone when they say they are doing high mileage, but they won't believe someone saying they are doing lower mileage.

Buddy, this sentence is an absolute cluster f***. How many different groups of people are you classifying as "they" in this sentence? Holy shit.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you if you can't figure out what I was talking about. Good luck to you.

I never said I couldn't figure it out, in fact I could. What I said is that the sentence is a f***ing mess, and I'm right. Read it over and maybe you'll see what I mean. Of course, you were stupid enough to write it in the first place so maybe you won't.

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL FOR SPEAKING SUCH LETSRUN BLASPHEMY!!!! St Lydiard is rolling over in his grave!!!!!!!!!!!

derej wrote:

Doug Padilla ran 4:10.x his freshman year (fall, '74) at Chabot College for the full mile. )

So so many runners have run a lot faster than that as Frosh or in HS that never touched Padilla's times later in life. The point was: of course Padilla was talented, but the High Mileage freaks want to believe that he was the most talented runner ever and could have run 12:30 in the 5k if he had just run 140 mile per week. He was a talented guy (like ANYONE who ends up running national or international class times), but one who ran to his potential by working on his STRENGTHS (his speed) and not ruining his strong-point (speed) with too much mileage that would have likely taken a lot of the spark out of those legs. Spivey was the same way, and he too stated that he did better off of a lower mileage (60's) program than a higher one. Spivey ran pretty fast too, huh?

Letsrun Robot wrote:

Fam running 65-70mpw=27:37 10k

DOES NOT COMPUTE...WARNING....WARNING......

Meb ran his 5k and 10k PB off 80-90mpw

ERROR....ERROR....

[Letsrun Robot begins to smoke]

Doug Padilla ran 13:15 on 50mpw

BEEP....BEEP....DANGER...MALFUNCTION......

[Letsrun Robot explodes]

HA HA HA........now THAT is damn funny and on the money!

Ok, this is my last post on this thread, don't worry folks, I am done hijacking this thread. Here it goes......

Fam* wrote:

I'm a very open and forthcoming individual when it comes to interviews. I try not to hide anything or exaggerate. I also try to give information that is valuable to all of those who run competitively and read these interviews. There is a ton of misinformation out there especially on these message boards.

Ok, fam says he tells it like it is in interviews. Then, in that case, I FOR ONE will take him at his word.

And his word is: A lower mileage guy most of his life ( and even when he did bump up his mileage for a short time last year it was under 100. He said it was 85+ hitting his FIRST EVER 100 week) prepared for this particular season with a base of 65-70 miles per week (similar to many of his past pre-season trianing periods) and just ran his first ever 10k in 27:37. That's damn impressive. I for one believe him and am about 100% sure he would not run a minute faster if he was running 120 miles a week. In fact......I don't necessarily believe he would run much faster at all with those extra miles. Because..................................

Not everyone responds the same way to the same training. Understand THAT, and we can all cease arguing about the "pefect training program."

You do make a good argument. But what about Jim Ryun? He had serious speed, 46 sec 440 speed on dirt. He ran 110 miles a week and was arguably the best miler ever (3:33.1 1500 on dirt in 1967 on a hot, smoggy LA day). How come he kept his speed with 110 mile weeks? Maybe he could have gone faster if he ran less. I can't imagine that, though.

dude... Renato Canova, the famed Italian coach, has said, "you don't lose speed by running volume; you lose speed by not training speed."

besides, we would want to look at lifetime volumes on all the guys discussed.