Portland varsity girls 400m: male athlete wins by 7 seconds

Doesn't this get investigated by DOE like Maine... oh, wait, the Orange One just issued an EO to get rid of DOE.

It's ludicrous. I pulled up Mia Brahe Pedersen's milesplit and her college PR is 23.48 (outdoor HS is 22.43). He ran 23.77 in one of his first 200's. And we're supposed to pretend he's basically as good as her?

I get the impression that some of the tasks previously handled by the US Department of Education related to interpreting and enforcing Title IX - and investigating reported or apparent violations such as the ones going on in Maine - might be in the process of being transferred over to Health and Human Services.

As of now, both of the two different Offices of Civil Rights at HHS and DoE have done investigations and found Maine in violation of Title IX.

hhs.gov

HHS’ Civil Rights Office Determines that Maine Violates Title IX by Allowing Males in Women’s Sports

@HHSgov

HHS’ Civil Rights Office found Maine in violation of Title IX by allowing males in women’s sports.

Link:www.hhs.gov/about/news/hhs-civil-right...

ed.gov

U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights Concludes that the Maine Department of Education Is Violating Title IX

U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights Concludes that the Maine Department of Education Is Violating Title IX

Link:www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us...

At first I thought it was really weird that HHS was getting involved in this brouhaha about Maine and Title IX. I still find it weird. But then it occurred to me that maybe HHS is gearing up to take over tasks that are now handled by DoE. That would make sense given how things used to be before the DoE was created as a separate, stand-alone agency in 1979/80. The original Title IX implementation regulations from 1974 and 1979 - which are in force today - were issued by the former Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW), which became HHS after the Education part was spun off.

But this is just me musing and spitballing. I dunno for sure.

DoE was already investigating one school district in Oregon on a related case:

opb.org

US Department of Education opens investigation into Tumwater School District

The Seattle branch of the department’s Office for Civil Rights launched the investigation after a transgender girl played in a high school girls’ basketball game last month. This comes weeks after Trump issued an executive or...

Link:www.opb.org/article/2025/03/03/u-s-dep...

But totally apart from Trump's attempts to shutter the federal DoE, after the EO about getting males out of girls' and women's sports was issued, Oregon state education officials said they were getting legal advice on the matter before deciding what to do (if anything).

Some legislators in Oregon state house have gotten legal advice and are putting pressure on OSSA:

you are wrong in 20 ways. for starters, it took 52 to win OR 6A 400 last year -- by a girl who beat gallagher. who runs for vandy now.

where i grew up 57 wouldn't score JV boys points. where i grew up 57 wouldn't get you out of area as a girl. my alma mater's first girls meet 57 wouldn't podium.

conversely, the 65 run by second wouldn't make the girls varsity area final and would be 6 seconds off my alma mater's finals cutoff.

that suggests, contrary to your bs, that they were 6 seconds slow, not secretly fast but beat by a boy.

additionally, because my junior high mile relay locked up our area championship, i remember every single one of us split 56-58. 57 wouldn't make the JV boys area final where i grew up.

in short, you're shoveling malarkey, it's an 8th grade or poor JV boys time beating girls who are several seconds short of what is competitive for girls where i grew up.

send your scary oregonian over to my youthful hometown and she won't get out of area and that will be that. this says more about oregon than it does trans sports.

you can keep running your mouth but you're wrong and exposing you're a tourist saying 57 wins state in the big school portion. 57 only wins the small town divisions. look it up. maybe look it up before you argue.

The Coach could Fix it, by telling boys who have no dignity whatsoever, I will not let you pull this garbage on my watch, There is no way that I will let a Boy play on the girls team.

this wasn't illegal under obama, under trump's first term (when telfer actually ran), or under biden. the laws didn't change. title ix didn't get rewritten. if it's suddenly being investigated by DOJ this term that suggests duh that it's been hyperpoliticized. not neutral application of the law. you're basically saying due to your politics winning an election the laws somehow changed ergo everyone should just do whatever trump says.

based on all the lawsuits he's losing i will gladly watch him lose another.

Key question: is this runner on puberty blockers or hormone replacement therapy? If not, then it's a ridiculous situation. Howver, if they are hormones/blockers, then it might be fair, depending how long they've been taking them. Crazy if they simply identify as a girl and compete without medical intervention to mitigate the effects of puberty. Just my thoughts.

you are an idiot - this isn't harrison bergeron. you can't put the skeletal/muscular/lung capacity growth from going thru male puberty back in the bottle. please educate yourself

You really don't know what you're talking about.

For more than a decade, the federal government under different Presidents, various states, activists groups and the courts have been embroiled in disputes over whether male students attending publicly-funded schools in the USA have the legal right to use facilities and participate in progams for female students - including competing in in girls’ and women’s interscholastic sports - if the male students say they have a trans, nonbinary, or other “expansive” or “diverse” gender identity that's different to their sex.

For example, in 2016, Obama's Department of Education and Department of Justice jointly issued guidance and a stern “Dear Colleague” letter informing all educational institutions in the USA that under Title IX, when student’s say they have an opposite-sex gender identity, their gender identity must be taken as their sex for all purposes including particpation in interscholastic sports and use of single-sex facilties like restrooms, locker rooms, showers and sleeping quarters.

In 2017, the Trump administration rescinded the Obama’s administration 2016 guidance and “Dear Colleague” letter.

In June, 2019 when Trump was POTUS the first time, the US Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) launched an investigation to determine whether state education officials and six specific high schools in Connecticut were in violation of Title IX by adopting, implementing and enforcing “a transgender participation policy” which allows male high school students to compete in girls’ sports if they say they have a trans or other “diverse” gender identity and they'd prefer to compete in the female category.

On May 15, 2020, the OCR issued a 45-page "Letter of Impending Enforcement Action" to Connecticut education officials informing them that the OCR had determined that the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference’s "transgender participation policy" - and officials’ at six high schools that implemented and enforced that policy - indeed were in violation of Title IX and had deprived female students of their civil rights by allowing male students to compete and clean up in girls' HS track in 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Here’s the May 15, 2020 letter:

Some press coverage of these events 5 years ago:

collinsvillepress.com

U.S. Department of Education says CIAC policy violates Title IX

Gerry deSimas, Jr., Collinsville Press

CANTON, May 28 – Earlier this year, Canton High senior Chelsea Mitchell was one of three high school athletes who filed a federal suit claiming that the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference’s (CIAC) policy to allow...

Link:collinsvillepress.com/2020/05/dept-of-...

edweek.org

OCR Letter Says Connecticut's Policy on Transgender Athletes Violates Title IX

Mark Walsh

The U.S. Department of Education's office for civil rights says that Connecticut's interscholastic sports governing body violates Title IX with its transgender participation policy.

Link:www.edweek.org/education/ocr-letter-sa...

nbcconnecticut.com

Connecticut Transgender Policy Found to Violate Title IX

Bob Connors

A Connecticut policy that allows transgender athletes to compete in girls sports violates the civil rights of female athletes, the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights has ruled. The ruling, which was obtained...

Link:www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/conn...

News story from June 15, 2020:

A federal agency says Connecticut must keep trans students from girls’ sports. The state disagrees.

Connecticut’s attorney general and human rights agency aren’t backing down from upholding a state law allowing [male] transgender high school students to compete on girls’ sports teams, despite a finding by the Trump administration that it’s illegal.

The U.S. Department of Education’s office for civil rights has determined that Connecticut’s interscholastic sports governing body and six school districts violated Title IX with a policy that permits transgender students to compete based on their gender identity.No hormone treatment is required.

Attorney General William Tong said state law “clearly demands that transgender girls be protected from the discrimination in athletics and elsewhere.”

“The Office of the Attorney General would oppose any effort to deny or cut funding to which the state is entitled,” Tong said, “and we would vigorously oppose any such efforts by the U.S. Department of Education.”

Glenn Lungarini, executive director of CIAC, said he could not comment on the case beyond the group’s statement issued last month that says the state law is clear: “students who identify as female are to be recognized as female for all purposes — including high school sports.”

Gov. Ned Lamont, however, indicated last week that he may be willing to reconsider the law.

ctmirror.org

A federal agency says Connecticut must keep trans students from girls' sports. The state disagrees.

Kathleen Megan

The federal government found against a state law allowing trans girls to compete in sports according to gender identity.

Link:ctmirror.org/2020/06/15/a-federal-agen...

Democrats are completly nuts. They think men can get pregnant.

57 would be an excellent girls' winning time in most league meets in the country. Our school record was 55, which was all-state, and I don't think a girl in our league ran that once in my three years there.

No, if that were actually true things like this wouldn’t be happening. The state athletic association would be too afraid of defying the clear will of the people. But they aren’t afraid. Fact is that Portlanders, and Oregon in general are extremely leftist.

Do you want to know when this will stop? When liberals, who are the main advocates for it, decide to return to sanity. And when women refuse to compete against men and the competitions become an open farce. Not one second before.

I agree he should say that. But I doubt a high school coach can really fix anything. He doesn’t make the rules and would risk his job. This will get fixed when powerful liberals decide not to allow it, and when ladies refuse to compete in races with men.

You can't be anymore delusional. 57 would win state in the vast majority of classes in every state in the US. In Oregon too. 57 would have won 4 of the 6 classes, taken 5th in the biggest class, and 2nd in the second biggest class. And he's not even peaked right now. So no, you didn't know girls who "didn't get out of area" with a 57.

HIS parents must be so proud of HIM!!! Why do the coaches and parents of the other competitors allow their kids to run? They need to send a message that this is not acceptable.

F**KING JOKE!

not the right side of history for sure......The problem with unbalanced, unreflective, knee-jerk progressivism is that people of this mindset, in their arrogance, don't realize that their government-imposed "solutions" often have unforeseen consequences/side-effects, and the solutions render conditions worse rather than better.