So for anyone curious, this is all a total lie and you can just google how Israel was founded yourself.
The only killing that happened in the late 40’s were Zionists violently displacing people in Palestine in the Nakba. The UN had no business giving Israel 78% of historic Palestine just because of the Balfour Declaration. Of course they rejected it - it was THEIR land being given off to a bunch of European settlers. So the Zionists went ahead and did it themselves.
Name one antisemitic thing I said. Some of the people I have the most respect for on this earth are anti-Zionist Jews (who you no doubt will call self-hating Jews) like those at Jewish Voice for Peace.
What do you have to say about Israel’s West Bank Settlements which are a direct violation of the fourth Geneva convention and have been occurring for 50 years?
It's impossible to take you seriously.
The arabs have been trying to kill off the Jews since at least 1920 when an Arab militia killed bunch Jewish farmers in the "battle" of Tel Hai and burned the settlement to the ground.
The land was largely empty and useless. The arabs didn't decide they had a problem with Jews buying the land until they realized what civilized people could do with the land.
I'd say after the way "palestinians" have behaved for the last 100 years they should be thrilled Israel lets them live anywhere.
If the Israelis behaved like the "palestinians" there would be no "palestinians" left to whine.
Even through all of your completely warped notion of history, even you tacitly admit that Israel is occupying Palestine. Which is a WAR CRIME. Just like the other one that this thread was started about.
The arabs have been trying to kill off the Jews since at least 1920 when an Arab militia killed bunch Jewish farmers in the "battle" of Tel Hai and burned the settlement to the ground.
The land was largely empty and useless. The arabs didn't decide they had a problem with Jews buying the land until they realized what civilized people could do with the land.
I'd say after the way "palestinians" have behaved for the last 100 years they should be thrilled Israel lets them live anywhere.
If the Israelis behaved like the "palestinians" there would be no "palestinians" left to whine.
Even through all of your completely warped notion of history, even you tacitly admit that Israel is occupying Palestine. Which is a WAR CRIME. Just like the other one that this thread was started about.
There's no such thing as "palestine".
If the arabs accepted the 1947 deal none of this would be happening.
You wanted it all and you're going to end up with nothing.
Even through all of your completely warped notion of history, even you tacitly admit that Israel is occupying Palestine. Which is a WAR CRIME. Just like the other one that this thread was started about.
There's no such thing as "palestine".
If the arabs accepted the 1947 deal none of this would be happening.
You wanted it all and you're going to end up with nothing.
Well done!
This was from 1899; reporting in the NY times on a Zionist conference in Baltimore.
BALTIMORE, Md., June 19. -- The first business at to-day's session of the annual conference of the Federation of American Zionists was the election of two members from America, to serve on the Executive Committee of the Inter...
Israel was founded after about 30 years of building institutions of a state, including a military, with the assistance of the British during the Palestine Mandate period, where they actively sabotaged Palestinian civil society,...etc (and killed off their leaders and disarmed most of their militias in the 1936039 Palestinian revolt and attempt at independence). That was a policy enshrined in the Balfour Declaration (during WW I), where a racist (and antisemitic, by the way) Lord Arthur Balfour decided he would grant Palestine to the Zionists (even though it was under Turkish Ottoman rule at the time):
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours, Arthur James Balfour
This page is subject to the extended confirmed restriction related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British Government in 1917 during the First World War announcing it...
Israel was founded after about 30 years of building institutions of a state, including a military, with the assistance of the British during the Palestine Mandate period, where they actively sabotaged Palestinian civil society,...etc (and killed off their leaders and disarmed most of their militias in the 1936039 Palestinian revolt and attempt at independence). That was a policy enshrined in the Balfour Declaration (during WW I), where a racist (and antisemitic, by the way) Lord Arthur Balfour decided he would grant Palestine to the Zionists (even though it was under Turkish Ottoman rule at the time):
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours, Arthur James Balfour
Doctor that worked in Gaza march 2024: I never treated a single militant, I only saw civilian casualties
And the Gaza ministry of health is actually known to be trustworthy!
”Its numbers have historically been considered reliable by the United Nations, the World Health Organization, and Human Rights Watch. In relation to the Israel-Hamas war, two letters published in The Lancet journal did not find evidence of inflation or fabrication of Palestinian casualty numbers”
Hamas has no militants. All are innocent victims of the Israeli occupation. So sayeth the Gaza Ministry of health. The rockets launched into Israel, the kidnappings rape and murder of festival goers and Israeli farmers on October 7th were all the result of an elaborate disinformation campaign. The Israelis were suiciding themselves to justify turning Gaza to rubble.
No Israelis killed themselves that day.
The IDF did, however, kill hundreds of Israelis that day.
And went on to kill over 100,000 innocent Gazans in the next 15+ months.
They are also running wild in the West Bank, attacking So Lebanon, and have moved into Syria to occupy part of that nation.
Time to pull the plug. End aid to Israel and Israel either has to become a normal place or be overwhelmed by the neighbors they have been abusing for decades.
Hamas has no militants. All are innocent victims of the Israeli occupation. So sayeth the Gaza Ministry of health. The rockets launched into Israel, the kidnappings rape and murder of festival goers and Israeli farmers on October 7th were all the result of an elaborate disinformation campaign. The Israelis were suiciding themselves to justify turning Gaza to rubble.
No Israelis killed themselves that day.
The IDF did, however, kill hundreds of Israelis that day.
And went on to kill over 100,000 innocent Gazans in the next 15+ months.
They are also running wild in the West Bank, attacking So Lebanon, and have moved into Syria to occupy part of that nation.
Time to pull the plug. End aid to Israel and Israel either has to become a normal place or be overwhelmed by the neighbors they have been abusing for decades.
You know you've gone off the deep end when you're inventing casualty figures that are almost double Hamas' made up numbers.
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Israel was founded after about 30 years of building institutions of a state, including a military, with the assistance of the British during the Palestine Mandate period, where they actively sabotaged Palestinian civil society,...etc (and killed off their leaders and disarmed most of their militias in the 1936039 Palestinian revolt and attempt at independence). That was a policy enshrined in the Balfour Declaration (during WW I), where a racist (and antisemitic, by the way) Lord Arthur Balfour decided he would grant Palestine to the Zionists (even though it was under Turkish Ottoman rule at the time):
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours, Arthur James Balfour
Again... keep telling yourself that history started on Oct 7, Palestine isn't real, and Israel is a democracy.
Just like in the Syria thread, you're giving a very detailed but also very unbalanced and selective history here, one that omits all sorts of relevant info. Of course you have no interest in mentioning that the British walked back their commitment to creating a state on numerous occasions, restricting Jewish immigration and land purchases severely in the 30s. It took the UN to create the state.
And re your last line, of course there are ways that Israel is distinct from the dictatorships around it; within the green line it is a (highly flawed, discriminatory) democracy in which all citizens can vote and Arab parties are represented in parliament. Outside the green line, it's a different story. And re "history started on Oct 7," you realize that both sides, Israelis and Palestinians, have committed horrible acts, don't you? You can use that "history didn't start on [insert date here]" meme for either side and it's valid.
Israel was founded after about 30 years of building institutions of a state, including a military, with the assistance of the British during the Palestine Mandate period, where they actively sabotaged Palestinian civil society,...etc (and killed off their leaders and disarmed most of their militias in the 1936039 Palestinian revolt and attempt at independence). That was a policy enshrined in the Balfour Declaration (during WW I), where a racist (and antisemitic, by the way) Lord Arthur Balfour decided he would grant Palestine to the Zionists (even though it was under Turkish Ottoman rule at the time):
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours, Arthur James Balfour
Again... keep telling yourself that history started on Oct 7, Palestine isn't real, and Israel is a democracy.
Just like in the Syria thread, you're giving a very detailed but also very unbalanced and selective history here, one that omits all sorts of relevant info. Of course you have no interest in mentioning that the British walked back their commitment to creating a state on numerous occasions, restricting Jewish immigration and land purchases severely in the 30s. It took the UN to create the state.
And re your last line, of course there are ways that Israel is distinct from the dictatorships around it; within the green line it is a (highly flawed, discriminatory) democracy in which all citizens can vote and Arab parties are represented in parliament. Outside the green line, it's a different story. And re "history started on Oct 7," you realize that both sides, Israelis and Palestinians, have committed horrible acts, don't you? You can use that "history didn't start on [insert date here]" meme for either side and it's valid.
My response wasn't a full history of the Middle East. I was refuting the claim that 'there is and never was such a thing as "Palestine"... that word was invented in the 1960s". If you look at the post I was responding to, I highlighted the sentence in bold.
As far as "both sides carrying out horrible acts"... one side is carrying out those horrible acts with US support (financial, military and political) and with US weapons. Maybe we should advocate not giving that level of support to a country whose system of gov't is discriminatory, and who's using our support to commit "terrible acts". They're more than capable of doing whatever they want on their own. We don't have to be a part of it.
When DOGE eliminated USAID, the claim was "if your country can't exist without US support, that's your problem".. yet, $4 billion of weapons were given to Israel, even though there's a ceasefire at the moment.
Israel was founded after about 30 years of building institutions of a state, including a military, with the assistance of the British during the Palestine Mandate period, where they actively sabotaged Palestinian civil society,...etc (and killed off their leaders and disarmed most of their militias in the 1936039 Palestinian revolt and attempt at independence). That was a policy enshrined in the Balfour Declaration (during WW I), where a racist (and antisemitic, by the way) Lord Arthur Balfour decided he would grant Palestine to the Zionists (even though it was under Turkish Ottoman rule at the time):
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours, Arthur James Balfour
Again... keep telling yourself that history started on Oct 7, Palestine isn't real, and Israel is a democracy.
Just like in the Syria thread, you're giving a very detailed but also very unbalanced and selective history here, one that omits all sorts of relevant info. Of course you have no interest in mentioning that the British walked back their commitment to creating a state on numerous occasions, restricting Jewish immigration and land purchases severely in the 30s. It took the UN to create the state.
And re your last line, of course there are ways that Israel is distinct from the dictatorships around it; within the green line it is a (highly flawed, discriminatory) democracy in which all citizens can vote and Arab parties are represented in parliament. Outside the green line, it's a different story. And re "history started on Oct 7," you realize that both sides, Israelis and Palestinians, have committed horrible acts, don't you? You can use that "history didn't start on [insert date here]" meme for either side and it's valid.
Forget that both sides crap.
There is a genocider and a genocided. An occupier and the occupied. A criminal state and its victims
This is why "on the fence " people , like me, have all sided with Palestine now.
There's no circumstances where this could ever be acceptable .
Perhaps Hamas should have spent some of the tens of billions in aid they stole on energy independence instead of turning every hospital in Gaza into a weapons depot.
And this is why I could never side with Palestine.
For Israel to accuse their critics of antisemitism is so utterly preposterous. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONE WITH THE ETHNOSTATE. The only reason there could be ANY confusion between the two is because YOU decided Judaism needs its own official country.
If you’re going to insist that “arabs” must be deprived of equal rights in the name of Jewish safety, at least don’t insult our intelligence by saying we’re the bigots.
For Israel to accuse their critics of antisemitism is so utterly preposterous. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONE WITH THE ETHNOSTATE. The only reason there could be ANY confusion between the two is because YOU decided Judaism needs its own official country.
If you’re going to insist that “arabs” must be deprived of equal rights in the name of Jewish safety, at least don’t insult our intelligence by saying we’re the bigots.
Every country in the Arab world is a theocratic ethnic state.
Doctor that worked in Gaza march 2024: I never treated a single militant, I only saw civilian casualties
And the Gaza ministry of health is actually known to be trustworthy!
”Its numbers have historically been considered reliable by the United Nations, the World Health Organization, and Human Rights Watch. In relation to the Israel-Hamas war, two letters published in The Lancet journal did not find evidence of inflation or fabrication of Palestinian casualty numbers”
Hamas has no militants. All are innocent victims of the Israeli occupation. So sayeth the Gaza Ministry of health. The rockets launched into Israel, the kidnappings rape and murder of festival goers and Israeli farmers on October 7th were all the result of an elaborate disinformation campaign. The Israelis were suiciding themselves to justify turning Gaza to rubble.
Well I also do not believe that the Gazan ministry can be trusted it is worth noting that Israel has committed false flags before. Also are we really supposed to believe that Mossad, with all the resources it has were not aware of the Oct 7th plans before it happened?
Jewish Insider says that the prospect that kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie may run for US Senate "is already generating fierce opposition from the local and national Jewish community."
Even through all of your completely warped notion of history, even you tacitly admit that Israel is occupying Palestine. Which is a WAR CRIME. Just like the other one that this thread was started about.
There's no such thing as "palestine".
If the arabs accepted the 1947 deal none of this would be happening.
You wanted it all and you're going to end up with nothing.
Well done!
Why is there no such thing as Palestine? It is a country, land claimed by the people who lived there.
Why did the Arabs need to accept the deal? They have 0 reasons to accept a deal they would get nothing out of.
The Jews could have had places to stay arranged in Russia. Plenty of mostly empty land. It is not perfect(not really good) but a Jewish ethnostate where other people have lived for generations is not good either.
