The real question is why is a thread about religion in the "High School Sprints/Field Events" category and then when its deleted because of that the owners bring it back and lock it but are STILL too lazy to put it in a proper category and then turn around and wonder why the site is choked with endless posts by religious nuts making anti-Semitic and homophobic rants also in the high school running category?
To define things like "decent" and "basic morals" and "right" (which cannot be time/place/culture dependent) you need a supreme being.
If something is right because it is right, then this "supreme being" would be nothing more than a cheerleader, urging that it be followed, or else a cop, punishing transgressors. In other words, the thing that is right is independent of the supreme being.
OTOH if something is right because the supreme being says so...what could be more subjective than that?
The majority of earth's population is not Christian and is going to hell according to Christian logic.
Christianity as a belief makes as much if not more sense than literally any other belief system held by any other human on earth. Besides, non-Christians belong in hell.
Christianity as a belief makes as much if not more sense than literally any other belief system held by any other human on earth. Besides, non-Christians belong in hell.
Not true. It’s in my DNA to care for loved ones and do things that make me happy. It’s not in my DNA to believe in things that I cannot see or feel. My parents and grandparents believed everything older people told them but I was born into a world where evidence that they were wrong was easily found by those that are able and willing to look.
Yes. Its axiomatic among Religionists that Atheists are lost souls who have no values. The ones I know are decent, law-abiding helpmates who believe in compassion, empathy, egalite and all basic morals without seeking heavenly rewards or seconday superstitions. Take responsibility and do the decent thing because it is right, not because some invisible entity *might* be judging you. And its kind of cool also not believing in Hell and some Devil thats part of the religion toxic package. Its a great vast universe; why want more? (The answers to the latter question are probably pretty interesting.)
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
Why do they believe it though? Its a tenant of their faith that mankind is guilty in the eyes of God. Their God sees things as kind of binary - good - heaven, bad - hell. The standard is impossible for humans to meet, even the littlest indulgence of a bad thought = hell. But they teach God is actually a three part being, one part of which is Jesus, who accepted guilt for all of mankind's sins. He died and this burden of guilt for all sins died with him, but rose from the dead having conquered sin (physics doesn't explain this, you just have to believe it or not). Here is the catch - those who believe this story and feel remorse for the bad things they have done to the point where they will try to behave righteously can accept forgiveness and their guilt is considered to be absolved by Jesus' death with the burden of all man's sins and those who do not have to be punished for the sins' themselves.
How do the metaphysics of this all work? I read fantasy novels for fun, but this is something the human mind probably just can't understand other than the general concepts.
Why do people have to accept Jesus' resurrection to be absolved of sin? The resurrection is part of overcoming the sin - basically Jesus is so good that it outweighs all the bad everyone has ever done in a way that the deeds of the best saint on earth can't even do. And because otherwise there would be no need for adherents of the Christian faith to proselytize and the religion would die out quickly.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. According to Christianity, if you believe with 100% certitude that a dead person named Jesus miraculously was resurrected/reincarnated three days after he died then you go to heaven (provided you believe with 100% certitude several other supernatural miracle stories). If, on the other hand, you have some degree of skepticism, even a small degree, that those things ever actually happened, then you go to hell.
It's quite a proposition for many people. Many people find it impossible to convince themselves with 100% certitude that the supernatural aspect of that story ever happened. Making yourself believe something that you know is highly unlikely is not something everyone can do. I suspect that very few people can do it.
No one can make themselves believe anything. Belief is not a choice.
Many people can make themselves make believe they believe something.
To define things like "decent" and "basic morals" and "right" (which cannot be time/place/culture dependent) you need a supreme being (otherwise, a pedo's idea of decent is just as relevant as your own, which is to say, not at all).
For most atheists, that supreme being is themselves (e.g. I think X is bad, so X is bad).
To define things like "decent" and "basic morals" and "right" (which cannot be time/place/culture dependent) you need a supreme being (otherwise, a pedo's idea of decent is just as relevant as your own, which is to say, not at all).
For most atheists, that supreme being is themselves (e.g. I think X is bad, so X is bad).
Yes. Its axiomatic among Religionists that Atheists are lost souls who have no values. The ones I know are decent, law-abiding helpmates who believe in compassion, empathy, egalite and all basic morals without seeking heavenly rewards or seconday superstitions. Take responsibility and do the decent thing because it is right, not because some invisible entity *might* be judging you. And its kind of cool also not believing in Hell and some Devil thats part of the religion toxic package. Its a great vast universe; why want more? (The answers to the latter question are probably pretty interesting.)
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
Whatever you think "atheism" is, it's not supposed to have a moral foundation. Atheism/agnostic/science is simply skepticism whether all the supernatural miracles you have profound belief in actually happened. It's seems highly unlikely, if not impossible. You do understand that some logical people think your beliefs are impossible, right? And you have little evidence they are true?
We have all the moral foundation we need, same as you. Just minus the supernatural stuff. It's pretty easy for me to treat people fairly and believe, e.g. that theft is wrong, without having to also believe that your personal savior was dead, and then through some unknown biological process, came to life again. It's really easy. I do it better than you.
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
Whatever you think "atheism" is, it's not supposed to have a moral foundation. Atheism/agnostic/science is simply skepticism whether all the supernatural miracles you have profound belief in actually happened. It's seems highly unlikely, if not impossible. You do understand that some logical people think your beliefs are impossible, right? And you have little evidence they are true?
We have all the moral foundation we need, same as you. Just minus the supernatural stuff. It's pretty easy for me to treat people fairly and believe, e.g. that theft is wrong, without having to also believe that your personal savior was dead, and then through some unknown biological process, came to life again. It's really easy. I do it better than you.
You have no idea what my beliefs are and you have the philosophical understanding of a high school sophomore.
You don't have any moral foundation. You go by your feelings alone like an animal.
Yes. Its axiomatic among Religionists that Atheists are lost souls who have no values. The ones I know are decent, law-abiding helpmates who believe in compassion, empathy, egalite and all basic morals without seeking heavenly rewards or seconday superstitions. Take responsibility and do the decent thing because it is right, not because some invisible entity *might* be judging you. And its kind of cool also not believing in Hell and some Devil thats part of the religion toxic package. Its a great vast universe; why want more? (The answers to the latter question are probably pretty interesting.)
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
Im lucky? For Christianity? Do you have any idea how cockamanie that is? Please read some history of war and its causes. Religion. What "foundation of morality" that you claim Atheists ( to which I am not commited) lack do you refer? scripture, bible, Qoran, because the only foundation of right and wrong I recognize and practice is personal thought, action, and responsibility. I dont need doctrine, rituals, scripture, costumed old men to explain morality to me--for their control and politics. You abdicate personal responsibility to organized bodies of greedy and corrupt pitchmen who only want your cash and loyalty, thinking that will buy you an "afterlife" above and beyond anything you deserve. Now tell me how deluded and arrogant I am for expecting no reward but the satisfaction of appreciating whats real, evident, tangible, and in the vast scope of things, quite wonderful!
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Whatever you think "atheism" is, it's not supposed to have a moral foundation. Atheism/agnostic/science is simply skepticism whether all the supernatural miracles you have profound belief in actually happened. It's seems highly unlikely, if not impossible. You do understand that some logical people think your beliefs are impossible, right? And you have little evidence they are true?
We have all the moral foundation we need, same as you. Just minus the supernatural stuff. It's pretty easy for me to treat people fairly and believe, e.g. that theft is wrong, without having to also believe that your personal savior was dead, and then through some unknown biological process, came to life again. It's really easy. I do it better than you.
You have no idea what my beliefs are and you have the philosophical understanding of a high school sophomore.
You don't have any moral foundation. You go by your feelings alone like an animal.
Rest assured, we all know what your beliefs are.
I have plenty of moral foundation. Probably more than you, eh?
You can't reply in substance, so you lash out like a child.
You're lucky to live in a society that was founded on Judaeo-Christian morality.
Atheism has no moral foundation. Morality is entirely subjective on the atheist world view.
If the Nazis win World War 2 the Holocaust would be taught to have been morally good and people like you would have no way of knowing you were monsters.
Im lucky? For Christianity? Do you have any idea how cockamanie that is? Please read some history of war and its causes. Religion. What "foundation of morality" that you claim Atheists ( to which I am not commited) lack do you refer? scripture, bible, Qoran, because the only foundation of right and wrong I recognize and practice is personal thought, action, and responsibility. I dont need doctrine, rituals, scripture, costumed old men to explain morality to me--for their control and politics. You abdicate personal responsibility to organized bodies of greedy and corrupt pitchmen who only want your cash and loyalty, thinking that will buy you an "afterlife" above and beyond anything you deserve. Now tell me how deluded and arrogant I am for expecting no reward but the satisfaction of appreciating whats real, evident, tangible, and in the vast scope of things, quite wonderful!
Atheist communists alone killed more people than all the religious wars in human history.
You think pedophilia is okay so long as you and all of your buddies agree.
I have plenty of moral foundation. Probably more than you, eh?
You can't reply in substance, so you lash out like a child.
Winston please look atvwhat you said. The Sophomorism lies with you. Callow accusations. And you call the other person childish?!
Atheism is unabashedly stupid.
Condemning God because you don't like religion is idiotic.
You have the philosophical depth of a child. It's amusing that you're accusing me of being callow while you spout the same idiotic nonsense 13 year olds spout about religion.