I think it's a function of better talent and better training. And of course, the fact that Nuguse rabbited the race. This is a new golden age of milers. 2-3 great Brits, 2-3 great Americans, and a dominant favorite in Jakob. Where are the Kenyans? The world is upside down. Too good to be true.
whatever man i'm just glad we're past the era of a bunch of egregiously doped up africans and middle easterners with no personality or swag doing jog fests and sit-and-kicking
we're in the era of a bunch of flashy chads with huge personalities running PRs in finals. just an absolute blessing
Hey you shouldn't diss my man Hicham El King Guerrouj who had loads of smile, tears, personality himself alone among correctly identified doped up east africans like Asbel Kiprop. Noah Ngeny was definitely clean though.
Did you also not forget your flashy chads are doped up with supershoes? That's a form of mechanical doping if it's not pharmaceutical doping. So no, I wouldn't call it an absolute blessing in the current era of middle distance. I think they are still at square 1 at equilibrium. The law of RF physics of the universe forbids any shift away from equilibrium at any moment in space-time. If it was a blessing today then it was similarly the same degree of blessing in Hicham El King Guerrouj's era!!!!
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Teare needs to forget the 1500. Hobbs was outstanding, everyone forgets how young he is. Hocker dominated.
That's correct!!! Hobbs my man did well!!!! His disciplined and faithful avoidance or reduction of exposure to anthropogenic RF at his residence and training grounds on a day to day basis is reaping dividends. But he still lacks 1 crucial factor that will make him beat Nuguse and Hocker. His failure to completely uproot his existence from a still wireless polluted American county and town to a completely wireless non-existent Ethiopian highland or somewhere similar but slightly lower in altitude*. I was thinking Alburqueque where Kerr trains at altitude would be good for Hobbs as the altitude is lower at 1500m and there are places you can find where the cellular signal is very low and the houses are very far apart from one another to avoid wifi and other RF antennas. Pls send my message to Hobbs Kessler and let him know that I Khamis the RF King wants to turn him into a monster athlete for the future and he needs to OBEY my advice with no further questions!!!!
*for 1500m and mile running, the rule of thumb is you don't train nor live higher than 1600m in altitude. How do I know???? Well of course I have to take reference from the greatest cleanest miler of all time Hicham El King Guerrouj who trained in Ifrane at 1600m. He became the very best while training no higher than 1600m. All the kenyans who tried to have a faster PB than him all failed although 1 managed to outrun him on a very rare and forgettable occasion Noah Ngeny but at a speed still slower than 3:26. The higher altitudes 2000m and above are generally for marathoners and still higher 3000m and above for ultra marathoners. You don't keep going higher and higher in altitude to run faster and faster at 800m and 1500m. The cap would be 1600m for the middle distance, and 1800-2000m for the 5k/10k and 2000-3000m for the marathon. The only exception to the rule is if you are born at altitude and live there all your life, then all the rules are thrown out of the window.
Aouita was way more talented. Except he fall in the wrong era... I can go in some details here.
Au Maroc, cet homme est un mythe, encore plus adulé que son compatriote Hicham El Guerrouj, double champion olympique à Athènes en 2004 sur 5000 et (...)
I am usually pretty naive about doping, and rarely accuse athletes. That being said, this 1500 final was the first time in a while I it actually crossed my mind…8 guys broke the previous meet record. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation that the 1500 is damn fast right now, to say the least.
Everything is subjective, nothing is truly objectively objective, do you understand sir???????
Subjectivity is what counts, objectivity is for the hypocritical and insincere folk like politicians and lawyers you guess it right!!!!! Take it from me an expert in RF Physics I don't dabble in fake-ass politics and legal jurisprudence stuff. I dabble in Jesus, in the Soul and in the Heart. That's how I roll and swing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I can subjectively hence in a superior way assure you that Cole Hocker is the most suspicious out of the top 3. I don't know about the rest in 4th, 5th, 6th as I hardly follow their performances and careers and never even heard of their names before.
Nuguse being outkicked and outpaced by Hocker tells me Hocker is almost as fast or faster than Josh Kerr right now which is an impossibility given his career and performance trajectory. And that's because Hocker is not 17, 18, 19, 20 or even 21 years old. Hocker didn't struggle to the line by the inch of his vest over Nuguse, but the shocker of all shockers, actually did a Josh Kerr and kicked from 250m out????? And opened daylight on Nuguse and maintained that lead almost all the way to the end of the finishing line???? Again he didn't win by 1mm or 1cm, he won by a bigger margin for the 1500m event and demonstrated no such genius for the past 3 years 2022, 2023, 2024 against Nuguse or against Josh kerr and Jakob at diamond league races and world championships and only now?????
For me, it's impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's clear for me Cole Hocker has got to be doped af!!!!!!!! I'm sorry I have to do my thing and do what I do best as an RF physicist and engineer which is to dissect and churn space and time rigorously, make comparisons and counter-comparisons and leave no stone unturned!!!
Had Cole Hocker been 19 or 20 years old, I would have gave him a pass because we all know that statistically teenagers and teenage phenoms having gargantuan amounts of NATURAL bioenergetic or NATURAL physiologic/endocrinal/hormonal spares to run WRs, PBs and just downright insane performances. But not a 25-30 year old which is the age of PHYSICAL DECLINE AND DETERIORATION for the purposes of high performance distance/sprints. It's all maintenance from 25 years old onwards, you can't make any inroads into WRs and PBs. Example, Josh Kerr didn't gain endocrinal/hormonal or bioenergetic wares and spares to run his 2mile indoor WR, he merely made MORE EFFICIENT USE of his endocrinal/hormonal/bioenergetic wares through a cleaner, healthier and more nutritious diet, or better recovery techniques in general to make that extra 'gains' but it wasn't an actual or absolute gain. It was just an illusion of gain. By reducing inefficiency, he created that illusion of gain but he definitely didn't absolutely gain endocrinal/hormonal and other physiologic wares because if he did he would have been caught for drugs.
Simple as ABC!!!!
Learn from the best in the business from me Khamis the RF King!!! I never disappoint, ever!!!
Cheers :)
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That's correct!!! Hobbs my man did well!!!! His disciplined and faithful avoidance or reduction of exposure to anthropogenic RF at his residence and training grounds on a day to day basis is reaping dividends. But he still lacks 1 crucial factor that will make him beat Nuguse and Hocker. His failure to completely uproot his existence from a still wireless polluted American county and town to a completely wireless non-existent Ethiopian highland or somewhere similar but slightly lower in altitude*. I was thinking Alburqueque where Kerr trains at altitude would be good for Hobbs as the altitude is lower at 1500m and there are places you can find where the cellular signal is very low and the houses are very far apart from one another to avoid wifi and other RF antennas. Pls send my message to Hobbs Kessler and let him know that I Khamis the RF King wants to turn him into a monster athlete for the future and he needs to OBEY my advice with no further questions!!!!
*for 1500m and mile running, the rule of thumb is you don't train nor live higher than 1600m in altitude. How do I know???? Well of course I have to take reference from the greatest cleanest miler of all time Hicham El King Guerrouj who trained in Ifrane at 1600m. He became the very best while training no higher than 1600m. All the kenyans who tried to have a faster PB than him all failed although 1 managed to outrun him on a very rare and forgettable occasion Noah Ngeny but at a speed still slower than 3:26. The higher altitudes 2000m and above are generally for marathoners and still higher 3000m and above for ultra marathoners. You don't keep going higher and higher in altitude to run faster and faster at 800m and 1500m. The cap would be 1600m for the middle distance, and 1800-2000m for the 5k/10k and 2000-3000m for the marathon. The only exception to the rule is if you are born at altitude and live there all your life, then all the rules are thrown out of the window.
Aouita was way more talented. Except he fall in the wrong era... I can go in some details here.
The first that played a bad trick to Aouita was Morceli while copying his system.
After we know what happened. Things became too easy.
I think Morceli was likely clean. I can't be absolutely as sure as I am for Hicham El King Guerrouj who is so definitely guaranteed clean because of the way he moves and operates his biomechanics!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Rashid Ramzi, the doper, the way he moves and operates his biomechanics is so very rough, uncut and just downright nasty. He doesn't flow with the wind/air around him and his legs don't contact the surface of the earth perfectly at angles as correct and poised as Hicham El King Guerrouj!!!! And then he is caught for doping so obviously I would attach the image of a foul looking biomechanical pattern of movement to a doping one!!!!!!
And I would attach the image and remembrance of a beautifully moving biomechanical sequence like Hicham El King Guerrouj to a non-doping one!!!!!!!
It's all subjective, but subjectivity IS WHAT COUNTS TOWARDS ACCURATE TRUTHS, not objectivity. Knowing how to be objective within subjective circles is what counts, not the other way round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As long as there is a relative difference, you already found and distilled the truth and don't need any objective evidence to distill it for you!!!!!
People here saying he'll outkick Kerr and Jakob are absolutely delusional. Please put that in all your prediction contest entries.
Nuguse has a bigger chance of medaling than Hocker when he doesn't have to set the pace.
Well after how he has outkicked Nuguse from a shocking 250m out which he has previously no gift, talent, skill or tenacity for or ever done so or succeeded at so, he is definitely in Kerr's league or better which is the more shocking part because it suggests that Hocker won at all costs---he had to take drugs to beat Nuguse in the manner he did.
Yes Kerr's splits from last world champs are more impressive, but Hocker's got time to improve and seems to be on track to peak at just the right time for this olympics. Issue is Kerr seems to be better than he was last year though. Kerr and Jacob are still the favorites, but with Hocker this is shaping up to be maybe the best 1500m race ever. Hocker seems to be in 3:28 shape in a well paced diamond league (going through 1200 in 2:47). Kerr, Jacob, and Nuguse seem to be at least that shape too.
Hahaha nah, you are out of your mind, Hocker is beating Josh Kerr and Jakob both at this very moment already which is a shocker because of the amount of leap he has gained from the days, weeks and months before to this current point of his fitness. He MUST BE on drugs bruh!!!!
No objective evidence is needed for this, I Khamis the RF King am the automatic default (subjective) evidence for Hocker's most likely drug assisted performance!!! Subjective evidence is what counts and suffices not an ADV!!!!!
This sport is dirty af!!!!
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I am usually pretty naive about doping, and rarely accuse athletes. That being said, this 1500 final was the first time in a while I it actually crossed my mind…8 guys broke the previous meet record. Not accusing anyone in particular, just an observation that the 1500 is damn fast right now, to say the least.
Everything is subjective, nothing is truly objectively objective, do you understand sir???????
Subjectivity is what counts, objectivity is for the hypocritical and insincere folk like politicians and lawyers you guess it right!!!!! Take it from me an expert in RF Physics I don't dabble in fake-ass politics and legal jurisprudence stuff. I dabble in Jesus, in the Soul and in the Heart. That's how I roll and swing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I can subjectively hence in a superior way assure you that Cole Hocker is the most suspicious out of the top 3. I don't know about the rest in 4th, 5th, 6th as I hardly follow their performances and careers and never even heard of their names before.
Nuguse being outkicked and outpaced by Hocker tells me Hocker is almost as fast or faster than Josh Kerr right now which is an impossibility given his career and performance trajectory. And that's because Hocker is not 17, 18, 19, 20 or even 21 years old. Hocker didn't struggle to the line by the inch of his vest over Nuguse, but the shocker of all shockers, actually did a Josh Kerr and kicked from 250m out????? And opened daylight on Nuguse and maintained that lead almost all the way to the end of the finishing line???? Again he didn't win by 1mm or 1cm, he won by a bigger margin for the 1500m event and demonstrated no such genius for the past 3 years 2022, 2023, 2024 against Nuguse or against Josh kerr and Jakob at diamond league races and world championships and only now?????
For me, it's impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's clear for me Cole Hocker has got to be doped af!!!!!!!! I'm sorry I have to do my thing and do what I do best as an RF physicist and engineer which is to dissect and churn space and time rigorously, make comparisons and counter-comparisons and leave no stone unturned!!!
Had Cole Hocker been 19 or 20 years old, I would have gave him a pass because we all know that statistically teenagers and teenage phenoms having gargantuan amounts of NATURAL bioenergetic or NATURAL physiologic/endocrinal/hormonal spares to run WRs, PBs and just downright insane performances. But not a 25-30 year old which is the age of PHYSICAL DECLINE AND DETERIORATION for the purposes of high performance distance/sprints. It's all maintenance from 25 years old onwards, you can't make any inroads into WRs and PBs. Example, Josh Kerr didn't gain endocrinal/hormonal or bioenergetic wares and spares to run his 2mile indoor WR, he merely made MORE EFFICIENT USE of his endocrinal/hormonal/bioenergetic wares through a cleaner, healthier and more nutritious diet, or better recovery techniques in general to make that extra 'gains' but it wasn't an actual or absolute gain. It was just an illusion of gain. By reducing inefficiency, he created that illusion of gain but he definitely didn't absolutely gain endocrinal/hormonal and other physiologic wares because if he did he would have been caught for drugs.
Simple as ABC!!!!
Learn from the best in the business from me Khamis the RF King!!! I never disappoint, ever!!!
Cheers :)
Feeling eejit. Hocker turned 23 June 6th. With that glaring miss, the rest of your argument is crap.
Look, that's not the point. At Nuguse's level, he should be doing all the work and then still winning and outkicking everyone. He is after all that 3:43 miler we all know him to be isn't it??????
But that's still not the point still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Instead, the real and final point is how despite what's left to be desired of Nuguse's performance today, Cole Hocker shockingly added more mortifying embarrassment for Nuguse which shouldn't even have happened!!!!!!!! It's illegal and cheating what Cole Hocker must have done today, he is clearly on unfair assistance...
Look, that's not the point. At Nuguse's level, he should be doing all the work and then still winning and outkicking everyone. He is after all that 3:43 miler we all know him to be isn't it??????
But that's still not the point still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Instead, the real and final point is how despite what's left to be desired of Nuguse's performance today, Cole Hocker shockingly added more mortifying embarrassment for Nuguse which shouldn't even have happened!!!!!!!! It's illegal and cheating what Cole Hocker must have done today, he is clearly on unfair assistance...
NEWSFLASH: THATS WHY THEY RUN THE RACE. UPSETS HAPPEN
Look bruh, any age after 21 is the human condition in stark decline. You think 23 or 25 is young and fearless or prime???? Well yes it's prime for other careers like business, marketing, acting, dancing, singing, lecturing, researching whatever, but not for high performance DISTANCE RUNNING!!!!! I suppose swimming must work the same way with slightly different age bands. Do you homework, I don't make crappy argument bruh!!!
Look bruh, any age after 21 is the human condition in stark decline. You think 23 or 25 is young and fearless or prime???? Well yes it's prime for other careers like business, marketing, acting, dancing, singing, lecturing, researching whatever, but not for high performance DISTANCE RUNNING!!!!! I suppose swimming must work the same way with slightly different age bands. Do you homework, I don't make crappy argument bruh!!!
Not all the time!!!!!!!! That's why you have to be subjective, and know how to subjectively call out which runners and which performances according to their space-time performance curves.
It will be the 2024 US Olympic trials race and at the 1500m mens event that a subjective yet accurate observation that Cole Hocker's upset against Nuguse is highly likely tainted with drugs.
"That's why they run the race" don't matter as an argument, I ALSO KNOW that!!!!!!!!!
That's why they run the damn race but at this moment in space-time, it's not the most susceptible factor observed by me!!! It's rather Hocker's impossible and unrealistic performance that wins!!!
Stupidest sh!t I’ve seen all day. How does being an RF engineer make you a running expert? If you’re an RF pro link your Google scholar
1) Attention to almost invisible* detail in a way REGULAR LRC folks could never respect, pay attention to, or think is significant detail at all.
2) Respect and fear for almost invisible* detail in a way REGULAR LRC folks could never take seriously or believe has any weight or effect for any argument.
3) And finally given that RF holds the universe, earth and human specimen together in 1 piece as does gravity and the sun, any breaking apart of the human specimen is automatically the default responsibility of any adversity in environmental RF exposure first, then next of diet and sleep, then next of training and strength/conditioning. This order is sacred and sacrosanct, ordered by Godly design. You aren't changing it.
*RF is invisible and so subconscious to the mind of a REGULAR LRC FOLK!!
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Look bruh, any age after 21 is the human condition in stark decline. You think 23 or 25 is young and fearless or prime???? Well yes it's prime for other careers like business, marketing, acting, dancing, singing, lecturing, researching whatever, but not for high performance DISTANCE RUNNING!!!!! I suppose swimming must work the same way with slightly different age bands. Do you homework, I don't make crappy argument bruh!!!
Stop spamming the thread with drivel.
Don´t fcking answer him. Trolls want attention. The best thing you can do is to ignore them.
