Yes, Kyle Langford is the righftful silver medalist.
It’s like the Nick Willis effect here. The race would be completely different if you removed all the banned athletes. McBride likely frontruns but Amos and Bett were a huge part of the race dynamic. It was already a horribly low-quality field and result. People act like 2021-2022 was the low point for 800, but 2017 was definitely worse. Being in 1:44.7 shape and not running like an idiot was medal-worthy. The more talented runners (Brazier, Kinyamal, Korir, Murphy) all bombed out at various points due to inexperience for the first 3 and injury for Murphy. Mahkloufi was nowhere to be found (probably tipped off he was on the verge of a ban). I have no idea if Bosse was doping or not but in the moment everyone thought it was a fluky title at best and now we could go even more.
You know that your grand thesis rests on Russian distance times supposedly not showing a marked improvement over Soviet athlete distance times. The majority of the best Soviet distance runners were not Russian.
Russia as a nation did not exist during the Soviet Union.
As for derailing you don't understand the difference between mentioning something (Spanish doping) and you replying with a wall of text challenging me to debate it.
Coevett "accuracy" strikes again. In my "grand thesis", I did not single out Russia or Soviet athletes for comparison. The closest is that I compared the fastest post-1990 non-Africans with the fastest pre-1990 world athletes. Nothing rests "on Russian distance times" or "Soviet athlete distance times".
Some fun facts:
- Russia existed within the Soviet Union from 1922-1991
- All of the Russian/Soviet men were too slow before 1990, and all of the former Soviet and Russian men were too slow after 1990. No Russian or Soviet man was any part of my "grand thesis".
- For the women, the "Soviet" women were counted as running for RUS, UKR, and UZB, and helped determine the pre-1990 world benchmark. Some former Soviet women were faster post-1990. There were no UZB women, and only 1 UKR woman. The remaining women (about a dozen) were all RUS. There were also 2 women from BLR.
If you single-handedly highlight something, given your reputation for accuracy, there must be a simple reason that no one else is. In the vein of performance, can you share with us what some of Spain's most notable performances were in the 1980s? In the Olympics, I see one silver medal in racewalking in 1980, one bronze medal in the 1500 in 1984, and no medals in 1988.
A bit like you single-handedly going against not just the near universal opinion of this forum with your 'epo doesn't work nonsense', but the scientific community, WADA, thousands of athletes and coaches etc.?
Well if that's what you meant, then it's true that I think what WADA wrote in their Code.
Well if that's what you meant, then it's true that I think what WADA wrote in their Code: Bosse was doping.
I wrote what I meant: "some rule violations, like the "whereabouts failures" from Bosse, are not other rule violations, like "presence" and "use", it's not just what I think but that is what WADA says."
Apparently that confirms what Armstronglivs said, and we are all on the same page.
Well if that's what you meant, then it's true that I think what WADA wrote in their Code: Bosse was doping.
I wrote what I meant: "some rule violations, like the "whereabouts failures" from Bosse, are not other rule violations, like "presence" and "use", it's not just what I think but that is what WADA says."
Apparently that confirms what Armstronglivs said, and we are all on the same page.
You know that your grand thesis rests on Russian distance times supposedly not showing a marked improvement over Soviet athlete distance times. The majority of the best Soviet distance runners were not Russian.
Russia as a nation did not exist during the Soviet Union.
As for derailing you don't understand the difference between mentioning something (Spanish doping) and you replying with a wall of text challenging me to debate it.
Coevett "accuracy" strikes again. In my "grand thesis", I did not single out Russia or Soviet athletes for comparison. The closest is that I compared the fastest post-1990 non-Africans with the fastest pre-1990 world athletes. Nothing rests "on Russian distance times" or "Soviet athlete distance times".
Some fun facts:
- Russia existed within the Soviet Union from 1922-1991
- All of the Russian/Soviet men were too slow before 1990, and all of the former Soviet and Russian men were too slow after 1990. No Russian or Soviet man was any part of my "grand thesis".
- For the women, the "Soviet" women were counted as running for RUS, UKR, and UZB, and helped determine the pre-1990 world benchmark. Some former Soviet women were faster post-1990. There were no UZB women, and only 1 UKR woman. The remaining women (about a dozen) were all RUS. There were also 2 women from BLR.
Again, you've totally derailed the thread, but it's important to refute your lies. Time and time again you've pointed to there being no significant improvent in Russian times in the EPO era to support your argument. But now we're to understand you were comparing them to Russians in the 15th century? Kievan Rus?
I wrote what I meant: "some rule violations, like the "whereabouts failures" from Bosse, are not other rule violations, like "presence" and "use", it's not just what I think but that is what WADA says."
Apparently that confirms what Armstronglivs said, and we are all on the same page.
A bit like you single-handedly going against not just the near universal opinion of this forum with your 'epo doesn't work nonsense', but the scientific community, WADA, thousands of athletes and coaches etc.?
I just asked for supporting data.
You're the only one on the planet who needs it. The dopers sure don't.
Well if that's what you meant, then it's true that I think what WADA wrote in their Code: Bosse was doping.
I wrote what I meant: "some rule violations, like the "whereabouts failures" from Bosse, are not other rule violations, like "presence" and "use", it's not just what I think but that is what WADA says."
Apparently that confirms what Armstronglivs said, and we are all on the same page.
Armstronglivs didn't say that. Still practising your lying. Armstronglivs says you never see doping even in those convicted of doping violations, like Bosse.
Again, you've totally derailed the thread, but it's important to refute your lies. Time and time again you've pointed to there being no significant improvent in Russian times in the EPO era to support your argument. But now we're to understand you were comparing them to Russians in the 15th century? Kievan Rus?
You only have yourself to thank for that. It's not the first time. I honestly wouldn't be in this "yet another whereabouts failure" thread at all, but for you. You can blame me, but that's part of the game isn't it?
For these "Russian times in the EPO era", you are talking about another argument. The "grand thesis" was designed to provide simple measures of quality and quantity of fast performers between 1990-2018. These measures were purely based on race times with no accounting for, or knowledge of, doping, and independent of individual countries, like Russia, or groups of republics, like the Soviet Union.
What you are referring to now looks at the situation from the other direction, because we have knowledge of significant Russian(/Soviet) doping. If "doping works" for elite athletes and top performances, then we should expect nations with significant doping to have achieved a lot of "work", and we can cross-check such expectations with recorded history.
We don't need to use my "grand thesis", nor even restrict performances to the "EPO-era". We can see that, by any measure, the fastest Russian (and Soviet) male distance running athletes, are significantly inferior to the fastest Europeans, Americans, Asians, and Africans. The women have done better, mainly in the shorter distance events (and field events), and one woman in the marathon.
I wrote what I meant: "some rule violations, like the "whereabouts failures" from Bosse, are not other rule violations, like "presence" and "use", it's not just what I think but that is what WADA says."
Apparently that confirms what Armstronglivs said, and we are all on the same page.
Armstronglivs didn't say that. Still practising your lying. Armstronglivs says you never see doping even in those convicted of doping violations, like Bosse.
Who was it that wrote "you just confirmed what I said"? Were you lying? I thought we had reached a mutual conclusion with your explicit confirmation of my confirmation, raising no material objections.
If it makes you feel better, I could possibly see Bosse started doping around the timeframe of September 2022 and June 2023, after six years of sub-standard performances, injuries, surgeries, etc., and at 31, not getting any younger.