full ride meaning full tuition- thats the most Americans can get. The 4:44 doesn't really matter, all that does matter is the standard top 5 in cross (which I am in) usually get a full tutition, track doesn't matter aa much because we don't really have a conference, and is 4:44 as a sophomore so bad?
I guess the top-5 XC makes sense. 4:44 isn't bad, but I would be pretty surprised if it warranted full tuition in itself. But of course, there are lots of different "deals" out there, especially for young women runners.
yougotme wrote:
full ride meaning full tuition- thats the most Americans can get. The 4:44 doesn't really matter, all that does matter is the standard top 5 in cross (which I am in) usually get a full tutition, track doesn't matter aa much because we don't really have a conference, and is 4:44 as a sophomore so bad?
excuse me, the original post was about elite women runners, which you are not. I don't think you should kid yourself that 4:44 is good, enough if it gets you to nationals at your D2 school. If you stop running and have babies, no one will notice. Just thought I would clear that up for you. Your welcome.
I think there are few factors.
1) Since many female runners excel at such a young age (and may not progress that much), 8+ years of training can take a mental and physical toll. It may just not be worth it to continue.
2) Many times the coaching at the collegiate level is done by men, which brings into play the weird male coach/female athlete relationship. Every male coach, to some degree, is at least a little flirtatious with female athletes. Sometimes it gets a little strange . . . for some people, by the end of college enough is enough.
3) Other priorities (the previously mentioned Type A personality)
4) Not enough advertisement of sub-elite post-collegiate training groups. Someone who runs 16:30-17:00 may think they're done unless they move to road racing after college - that's not true ! (this holds for men as well).
Sorry, 'full ride' means tuition & fees, books, room & board (housing and meals). Full tuition is good, but that's not a 'full ride'.
It is a good question. The women certaintly excel on the world scene in the sprint events up to 400 meters, then it seems to fall apart around 800 meters and above with some exceptions, Suzy making Oly final and Regina 2nd at World Champs, Decker also - 2x World Champ Winner, Kim Gallegher 2nd in boycott year, Lynn Jennings bronze, Cindy Bremser 5th in 3k....no 5k anything, no marathon success until Deena.
The same question could be asked of the women in the throw events where they seem to really lag behind the men, and the jump events also - nobody since Jackie J-K.
Too much misdirected, 3 times a year peak crap in high school and college would be my best guess.
legally blond wrote:
Too much misdirected, 3 times a year peak crap in high school and college would be my best guess.
Wouldn't apply to the women's field events, though.
meta4 wrote:
legally blond wrote:Too much misdirected, 3 times a year peak crap in high school and college would be my best guess.
Wouldn't apply to the women's field events, though.
that might be "lack of substance" issue. I still think many countries are better at taking illegal substances than the Americans are. That, or it is something in the culture. don't know.
Oh, right. What was the origin of THG? Balco. Where was Balco located? In the USA. What nationality were many of the recent t&f athletes who were involved in the Balco scandal and stripped of WC and Olympic medals? USA.
meta4 wrote:
Oh, right. What was the origin of THG? Balco. Where was Balco located? In the USA. What nationality were many of the recent t&f athletes who were involved in the Balco scandal and stripped of WC and Olympic medals? USA.
sprinters plus regina. No throwers (I think) and no other distance runners. Our sprinters definately know how to get and user the right stuff. No doubt.
Sure but stuff that would benefit sprinters (THG, anti-narcolepsy drugs, etc.) would also be useful to jumpers and throwers, which like the sprints are also explosive actions. There's pretty good crossover between sprints and horizontal jumps, too.
First you say it's only outside the USA, then you say it's in the USA but only sprinters. Why would any of these lines in the dirt be drawn?
It probably has more to do with desperation and ambition. USA distance runners are basically all from well off backgrounds and have easy access to higher education and would even if they had no athleticism at all. A lot of the minority athletes (sprinters and jumpers) don't have those advantages and for a lot of them (though not Regina, she was simply greedy) making the most of their athleticism is their best shot at a better life. There have been some notable busts of USA throwers, too.
show me where I said only outside the USA.
legally blond wrote:
It is a good question. The women certaintly excel on the world scene in the sprint events up to 400 meters, then it seems to fall apart around 800 meters and above with some exceptions, Suzy making Oly final and Regina 2nd at World Champs, Decker also - 2x World Champ Winner, Kim Gallegher 2nd in boycott year, Lynn Jennings bronze, Cindy Bremser 5th in 3k....no 5k anything, no marathon success until Deena.
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You are REALLY REALLY *REALLY* wrong with the final part of that statement, otherwise a fair assessment. I'll leave it you to figure out why.
am I missing a 5k American? or another marathoner? The Illinois Runner in the marathon world champs, uhhhh, MaryAnn...... ?
oh crap! Joanie!
yougot nothing wrote:
excuse me, the original post was about elite women runners, which you are not. I don't think you should kid yourself that 4:44 is good, enough if it gets you to nationals at your D2 school. If you stop running and have babies, no one will notice. Just thought I would clear that up for you. Your welcome.
Looks like another post by a clueless male! :p
Because americans think distance running is still a white person's sport.
Look at how many non-white female runners there are in NCAA.
In HS, most american white coaches will put the asians and blacks into sprints.
I never said I had a full ride, i said full tuition. No one on our team gets a full ride, except for foreigners and they get the rest from foreign aid. Nor did I ever say I was elite, or that anyone would care if i quit running and had babies. But thanks for "clearing that all up for me", champ.
Your original post was relevant and informative. It's nice of you to offer your personal experience. Pay no attention to those who mistake rudeness for wit.
yougot nothing wrote:
excuse me, the original post was about elite women runners, which you are not. I don't think you should kid yourself that 4:44 is good, enough if it gets you to nationals at your D2 school. If you stop running and have babies, no one will notice. Just thought I would clear that up for you. Your welcome.
Wow...a condescending jerk on the LetsRun boards. Imagine that!!
By the way, you said "Your welcome." The original post was intended to solicit replies from people who aren't immature, illiterate jerks. Instead, they found you.