Worth noting that Clayton Young also did 13 miles at 4:51 pace in Provo. Anyone know that conversion? Looks like NCAA altitude tables given ~9 seconds/mile for a 10K in Provo
Worth noting that Clayton Young also did 13 miles at 4:51 pace in Provo. Anyone know that conversion? Looks like NCAA altitude tables given ~9 seconds/mile for a 10K in Provo
So 45 seconds at sea level? No way. I’d say more like 5 sec per mile from 4500’ to sea level.
Worth noting that Clayton Young also did 13 miles at 4:51 pace in Provo. Anyone know that conversion? Looks like NCAA altitude tables given ~9 seconds/mile for a 10K in Provo
So 45 seconds at sea level? No way. I’d say more like 5 sec per mile from 4500’ to sea level.
I wonder just how far off he ran his actual planned marathon pace. Mantz is good but realistically, he's not going to drop to 2:05 in early 2024. He had perfect conditions and a great opportunity to run fast in Chicago, easily 2:06 if he had the endurance. But he tanked. He might be a 2:05 guy one day - I'm not ruling it out if someone like Levins can get there - but it won't be this year
I wonder just how far off he ran his actual planned marathon pace. Mantz is good but realistically, he's not going to drop to 2:05 in early 2024. He had perfect conditions and a great opportunity to run fast in Chicago, easily 2:06 if he had the endurance. But he tanked. He might be a 2:05 guy one day - I'm not ruling it out if someone like Levins can get there - but it won't be this year
If he can figure out the fueling issues, he can go 2:06-mid to high. But not at the trials. And not this year unless he doesn’t make the team and can focus on a Chicago or Berlin, for example.
Worth noting that Clayton Young also did 13 miles at 4:51 pace in Provo. Anyone know that conversion? Looks like NCAA altitude tables given ~9 seconds/mile for a 10K in Provo
So 45 seconds at sea level? No way. I’d say more like 5 sec per mile from 4500’ to sea level.
I should qualify this. It really depends on the runner, but some of the NCAA altitude conversions are questionable. Look at Alamosa, for example.
However, having coached some high school kids in Colorado and witnessing others, the general rule of thumb we used was 1 second per lap from the suburbs around Denver (about 5,500’) to sea level. Probably a little less for the 1600 but it holds well for the 3200 and above. I’ve seen multiple athletes improve their 3200 PRs by 15-18 seconds. So 25 sec for 5000 sounds about right.
Provo would be less, maybe six seconds per mile is realistic. But, again, it depends on the athlete.
So 45 seconds at sea level? No way. I’d say more like 5 sec per mile from 4500’ to sea level.
I should qualify this. It really depends on the runner, but some of the NCAA altitude conversions are questionable. Look at Alamosa, for example.
However, having coached some high school kids in Colorado and witnessing others, the general rule of thumb we used was 1 second per lap from the suburbs around Denver (about 5,500’) to sea level. Probably a little less for the 1600 but it holds well for the 3200 and above. I’ve seen multiple athletes improve their 3200 PRs by 15-18 seconds. So 25 sec for 5000 sounds about right.
Provo would be less, maybe six seconds per mile is realistic. But, again, it depends on the athlete.
So 45 seconds at sea level? No way. I’d say more like 5 sec per mile from 4500’ to sea level.
I should qualify this. It really depends on the runner, but some of the NCAA altitude conversions are questionable. Look at Alamosa, for example.
However, having coached some high school kids in Colorado and witnessing others, the general rule of thumb we used was 1 second per lap from the suburbs around Denver (about 5,500’) to sea level. Probably a little less for the 1600 but it holds well for the 3200 and above. I’ve seen multiple athletes improve their 3200 PRs by 15-18 seconds. So 25 sec for 5000 sounds about right.
Provo would be less, maybe six seconds per mile is realistic. But, again, it depends on the athlete.
Yeah I wasn’t saying his pace would be 45 seconds faster per mile, I was saying 9 seconds faster/mile. So essentially we’re saying the same thing once you factor in that the per mile difference is greater at 10K than at 5K
Hall won in 2:09 in 2007 (the 2008 trials), top 4 ran 2:09 in 2012, Rupp ran 2:09 in 2020. But other than that...
So in your world I ran a 4 min mile in HS when I ran a 4:43? As I said Meb and hall were close but neither of them ran a 2:09 at the trials…
The fact that you didn’t include you the tenths and hundredth in your mile times kills your argument.
100m- typically uses hundredth (or tenth) 10.79is not 10.70 (non- elites may just use tenths.. “yeah I run an 11.3”
400-800- typically uses tenth. 50.9 is not 50.0 but no only really cares about 50.18 or 50.11… you can just say 50.1
Mile: second is fine. “4:43”.. in fact using the tenth or hundredth would be annoying unless you’re running under 3:35 for a 1500m.
Marathon: People typically say the hour and minute… is a 2:09:59 the same as 2:09:00 flat. No, it’s not, and we all know that, but it’s still a “2:09 guy”.
One of the ironclad rules of Letsrun: If your workout becomes a thread on the message board you ran it too hard, and will be cooked for your next competition.
I like Mantz and I'm sad he won't make the Olympic team in the marathon.
I'm a fan of Mantz because he goes for it. I like he sets high goals for himself and is bold.
The dude competes in every event from 1500m-marathon, anybody who isn’t a fan of him is simply not a fan of running.
I agree, he’s a baller. Currently the most talented marathoner we have too. He may or may not make the Olympic team, but he’s responsible, along with his training partner, for unlocking two spots. It would be a shame if they didn’t both get an Olympic berth.
One of the ironclad rules of Letsrun: If your workout becomes a thread on the message board you ran it too hard, and will be cooked for your next competition.
I like Mantz and I'm sad he won't make the Olympic team in the marathon.
You’re crazy if you don’t think Mantz will make the marathon team. His worst marathon with him bonking is better than 95% of the field.