Once again we have the lapped women refusing to get out of lane 1 for Valby's record and ALL of the lapped men moving out of

I didn't watch the race so I don't know who got lapped. But lets say Rosina Machu set a pr and given her time, might've been lapped. Same with Molly Born. The responsibility should fall on the Organizers if they want to set up a better race to limit the amount of runners in it and to instruct them to move into lane 2 if they're getting lapped. The race wasn't set up/paced to be a collegiate record race either. It just turned out that way. It might be good comradery or sportsmanship to move out of the way but unless explicitly stated, you shouldn't be expected to move.

Oh to return to the days of, "The Devil Takes the Hindmost!" Sorry, I felt a little levity was appropriate. For those of you that don't remember these races: a demon with a hook would corral the last runner on each lap. Hence no need to worry about lapped runners.

I hope valbymaniacs are grateful for the outcome of that quite entertaining race!

Sure, if Parker were to have missed a sub-15 by fractions of a second, there would be pronounced ‘woulda-could-shoulda’, but that didn’t happen.

At least when lapped runners stay on the rail, there is last chance of a collision.

Stay classy.

I wonder if some people posting on this thread have ever been lapped during a race. When I was in high school, they often ran girls and boys races together. As a girl, I was often lapped. I never moved out for the reason cited in the thread - you're in the zone and trying to figure out when to safely move out is seriously hazardous.

Maybe an official could advise runners when to move out. Otherwise, it's just too hazardous. Can you imagine if everyone had moved out and Valby had been tripped??? It would have been an absolute debacle.

+100

Imagine the horror!

Funny how all of the men moved out even they were running much faster than the women. Are you suggesting that men are more considerate and better at judging distance?

In NASCAR they would deliberately get in their way.

Only if she went out to lane 5 each lap.

This is part of running. She lost 3/10 at most. Some athletes run their entire race on the next lane

Get a grip. Its a race, not a time trial.

You do realize the NCAA rulebook has "a lapped runner will run a normal course" right?

Is this just an entitlement thing that you seem to think a lapped runner should move?

As someone who never lapped anyone, I cant speak from experience. But, knowing human nature and coaching 100 people on an indoor track at the same time, my sense is the elite/faster runner would rather know that they can pass everyone with worrying about who is going to suddenly move aside and who isn't? If some people move and some don't, you can get into some trouble and you will be down. So, I don't know, any super elite runners here? I would think holding your line works best. Or somehow the officials tell everyone to move to lane 2? That wont work, you cant tell the whole field to run longer for 25 laps.

I think the move aside has to be voluntary and early.

HEY!

Now that I have your attention, does anyone remember this? 1992 Olympic 10000 final. It's not exactly the same thing as what's being debated here but it reminded of this.

"The Kenyans protested the finish, claiming that lapped Moroccan runner Hammou Boutayeb joined the lead pack of Chelimo and Skah with 3 laps to go in the race, apparently trying to help Skah. Boutayeb kept running in front of Chelimo and slowing down, causing him to miss his stride. Competition Rule 143.2 states that a lapped runner may not "assist" another runner. The race jury temporarily disqualified Skah for receiving assistance from Boutayeb. The Moroccans appealed to the Jury of Appeal of the IAAF. Since Rule 143.2 did not give any penalty for its violation, the Jury of Appeal reinstated Skah. With one lap to go, a meet referee actually pushed Boutayeb, trying to tell him to get out of the way. Ultimately the race was decided by Skah out sprinting Chelimo head to head on the final straight."

You're not *required* to move out, but nevertheless, I think it's good that people had the awareness and sacrificed a tiny fraction of their meaningless PR to help Blanks run a collegiate record

If you go out to lane two and stay there, there's less of a hazard than weaving through traffic. I may have been downvoted on my opinion, but 3 out of 4 lapped male runners knew that there were guys going for the NCAA record and so they got out of the way. It's no surprise that men would do this while women did nothing, because men, when they're not drunk, practice anticipatory conflict avoidance by making way for others out of mutual respect, while women will create fights and collisions because they think no one will call them on it.

In regard to the Skah/Boutayeb/Chelimo incident in 1992, a recent article cited a series of facts that undermined the claim that Boutayeb was actually pacing Skah. At the time, I had the impression that he had done so, and the account below certainly suggests that, although Skah, who had been victimized by legal pacing by the Kenyans for Chelimo the previous year, claims he told Boutayeb to stay away.

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Bitter Silver Part 3: Richard Chilemo and The Controversial 10,000-meter Finals of the Barcelona Games

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The 10,000 meter race is grueling race that grinds for close to 30 minutes, and yet short enough to still feature fantastic sprints to the finish line. The finals at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics was…

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So you're saying it's that men are beta b*tches who instinctively yield to an alpha rather than hold a position they're entitled to be in?

No I don't actually think that. But it's only as dumb as what you just said. Moving out if you can do it safely is a nice gesture, so if you want to do that, cool. But if you're in the race, it's your race too. Officials should just seed heats better so that it's not an issue.

In races/meets of consequences runners about to be lapped should be pulled from the track unless those athletes are in a position to score for a team.

My collegiate conference took this one step farther. In the indoor 5000, runners not in the top 12 at two miles/16 laps were pulled. The idea was that non-competitive, non scoring runners should not interfere with faster athletes, potentially impacting the front of the race or national qualifying times.

A positive byproduct of this was that the race was a race, unlike many championship meet 5000s.

At very least, lapped runners who don’t move to lane 3 should be DQ’d.

It cost Tsegay a sub 14 5k WR record and also cost Gidey a sub 29 10K WR - but that’s the price you pay for running on a closed oval with fellow competitors….

Not sure why any athlete in the field should move out, they’re all running for time.

Any time she lost while lapping she gets back some or more by having athletes to chase down as rabbits

I remember running 5 and 10ks on an outdoor track when I was in college where lapped runners were forced to drop out, not simply move out.

Officials would alert runners about to be lapped that they needed to step off the track to the inside.

Some runners would put in a surge and sometimes avoid being lapped, or the surge might delay the inevitable. If runners did not drop out when lapped, they were disqualified.

I believe this rule was primarily for the benefit of the officials, so they did not have to worry about being confused keeping track of or counting laps for lapped runners. (the officials still sometimes became confused, and what was going to be my track 10k pr never was as the officials miscounted and ended the race after 24 laps...)

I thankfully was able to always avoid being lapped, and was never leading so my pace never forced other runners to drop out.