You so like to prove how thick you are. The discussion is the comparison between the two runners over the last kilometre of the race, not the full race, you moron.
And this you call "virtually matched"? What a stupid comparison. She was 7.5% slower than a suffering Kipchoge. Her fast finish indicates that she might be capable of little bit faster (2:11:30?). Around 8% behind the men's WR. That's what's worth discussing.
Kipchoge ran 3:00 for the last kilometre; Assefa ran 3:02. She finished her marathon at almost the same speed as he did. That isn't "virtually matched" over that distance?
You so like to prove how thick you are. .The discussion is the comparison between the two runners over the last kilometre of the race, not the full race, you moron.
You are so insecure. So many insults, so little substance.
Have you caught up with the subject of the thread yet?
And this you call "virtually matched"? What a stupid comparison. She was 7.5% slower than a suffering Kipchoge. Her fast finish indicates that she might be capable of little bit faster (2:11:30?). Around 8% behind the men's WR. That's what's worth discussing.
Kipchoge ran 3:00 for the last kilometre; Assefa ran 3:02. She finished her marathon at almost the same speed as he did. That isn't "virtually matched" over that distance?
It's a good thing that it wasn't a 1km race then, isn't it? You would have a point then. But as usual you write nonsense.
Just last year, in 2022, she ran a 1:07 half marathon. That was about a 1 minute pr from 3 years earlier. Yet, later that same year she ran 2:15 for the marathon. What happened? How could she basically sustain her new half marathon pr through the marathon. Now, another year has passed and she has run almost 2 minutes faster for the second half of a marathon (65:33) than that relatively newly minted, 2022 pr. And she has averaged sub-66 in a marathon (a nearly four minute pr). Even with new $500 shoes, it doesn't pass the sniff test.
And this you call "virtually matched"? What a stupid comparison. She was 7.5% slower than a suffering Kipchoge. Her fast finish indicates that she might be capable of little bit faster (2:11:30?). Around 8% behind the men's WR. That's what's worth discussing.
Kipchoge ran 3:00 for the last kilometre; Assefa ran 3:02. She finished her marathon at almost the same speed as he did. That isn't "virtually matched" over that distance?
Over that distance? You think it was a 1000m race? Women have had faster intermediate times compared to men in some championships - when the men's race started extremely slow. Or women have run faster than men's finishing times in Olympic finals.
She finished extremely strong, Kipchoge relatively weak.
You and others are trying to made it look as she was running almost on Kipchoge's level - she wasn't. She was 7.5% slower than Kipchoge. But Kipchoge was not at his best - compared to Kipchoge's WR, she was 8.9% slower.
Her extremely fast finish is some indication that she has had the potential to run faster - around 2:11:30? That's 8.5% slower than the WR.
This would be a basis for some discussion. 8.5% is less than the female disadvantage in any other running event - but some people have argued already half a century ago that women are getting relatively stronger the longer the distance. So the mark doesn't seem completely out of reality.
You can disagree (for example the 2:11:30 even is too slow?) or that women are getting stronger the longer the distance or wahtever.
But to write the same again and again (as you have done on hundreds of occasions in this forum) without a single word to the post you are replying to, doesn't made you look very smart.
Kipchoge ran 3:00 for the last kilometre; Assefa ran 3:02. She finished her marathon at almost the same speed as he did. That isn't "virtually matched" over that distance?
It's a good thing that it wasn't a 1km race then, isn't it? You would have a point then. But as usual you write nonsense.
You're even slower than I thought. The point is not that she might beat Kipchoge but that a woman runner is now finishing a marathon at near the same speed as the best marathon runner in history, as their last kilometre times show. That is the point of the thread as posted by the OP. You argument isn't with me, you moron, but the subject of the thread.
Kipchoge ran 3:00 for the last kilometre; Assefa ran 3:02. She finished her marathon at almost the same speed as he did. That isn't "virtually matched" over that distance?
Over that distance? You think it was a 1000m race? Women have had faster intermediate times compared to men in some championships - when the men's race started extremely slow. Or women have run faster than men's finishing times in Olympic finals.
She finished extremely strong, Kipchoge relatively weak.
You and others are trying to made it look as she was running almost on Kipchoge's level - she wasn't. She was 7.5% slower than Kipchoge. But Kipchoge was not at his best - compared to Kipchoge's WR, she was 8.9% slower.
Her extremely fast finish is some indication that she has had the potential to run faster - around 2:11:30? That's 8.5% slower than the WR.
This would be a basis for some discussion. 8.5% is less than the female disadvantage in any other running event - but some people have argued already half a century ago that women are getting relatively stronger the longer the distance. So the mark doesn't seem completely out of reality.
You can disagree (for example the 2:11:30 even is too slow?) or that women are getting stronger the longer the distance or wahtever.
But to write the same again and again (as you have done on hundreds of occasions in this forum) without a single word to the post you are replying to, doesn't made you look very smart.
More drivel. She finished "fast", and you say Kipchoge was "weak" - but he was the male winner and she wasn't coming off a slow pace but running a woman's record. It is like Kipyegon finishing a 1500m race much the same speed over the last 400 as El G or Ingebrigtsen while she sets a woman's wr. The rationalisations for this absurdity in the sport never cease but there is never anything more blind - or plain stupid - than a fan today.
Who was the lady, several years back now, who was finishing-out marathons faster than the male winners? Won a couple big city marathons. Everyone was delivering the standard lip service to her efforts, but in the end it was just the drugs. She got popped.
Liliya Shobukhova? I remember her running the last mile of the Chicago Marathon faster than the men's winner (I don't remember the year).
Over that distance? You think it was a 1000m race? Women have had faster intermediate times compared to men in some championships - when the men's race started extremely slow. Or women have run faster than men's finishing times in Olympic finals.
She finished extremely strong, Kipchoge relatively weak.
You and others are trying to made it look as she was running almost on Kipchoge's level - she wasn't. She was 7.5% slower than Kipchoge. But Kipchoge was not at his best - compared to Kipchoge's WR, she was 8.9% slower.
Her extremely fast finish is some indication that she has had the potential to run faster - around 2:11:30? That's 8.5% slower than the WR.
This would be a basis for some discussion. 8.5% is less than the female disadvantage in any other running event - but some people have argued already half a century ago that women are getting relatively stronger the longer the distance. So the mark doesn't seem completely out of reality.
You can disagree (for example the 2:11:30 even is too slow?) or that women are getting stronger the longer the distance or wahtever.
But to write the same again and again (as you have done on hundreds of occasions in this forum) without a single word to the post you are replying to, doesn't made you look very smart.
More drivel. She finished "fast", and you say Kipchoge was "weak" - but he was the male winner and she wasn't coming off a slow pace but running a woman's record. It is like Kipyegon finishing a 1500m race much the same speed over the last 400 as El G or Ingebrigtsen while she sets a woman's wr.
We all know about your big problems with elementary maths. So I give you a little bit of help.
The last 2.195km of a Marathon is like the last 78 meters of a 1500m, not the last 400m. OK? If you can't do the math, please ask.
Kipchoge's WR pace was 2:52.27/km Assefa's pace for her last 2.195km was 3:02.23/km around 5.8% slower 5.8% slower than 3:27 (3:26) 1500m pace is 3:39 (3:38) pace.
So, an equivalent to Assefa's finish over the last 2.195km in Berlin would be something like Kipyegon finishing a 1500m WR in 3:38 pace for the last 78 meters.
I know, a lot of math for someone who's problems already start at counting above two. So, please feel free to ask.
Have you ever been interested in a serious discussion about the topics you post for many hours EVERY day?
That link has nothing to do with what she experienced. Please check what you reference. That references the V shape of several pacers. One pacer does not have that effect due to the swirling.
More drivel. She finished "fast", and you say Kipchoge was "weak" - but he was the male winner and she wasn't coming off a slow pace but running a woman's record. It is like Kipyegon finishing a 1500m race much the same speed over the last 400 as El G or Ingebrigtsen while she sets a woman's wr.
We all know about your big problems with elementary maths. So I give you a little bit of help.
The last 2.195km of a Marathon is like the last 78 meters of a 1500m, not the last 400m. OK? If you can't do the math, please ask.
Kipchoge's WR pace was 2:52.27/km Assefa's pace for her last 2.195km was 3:02.23/km around 5.8% slower 5.8% slower than 3:27 (3:26) 1500m pace is 3:39 (3:38) pace.
So, an equivalent to Assefa's finish over the last 2.195km in Berlin would be something like Kipyegon finishing a 1500m WR in 3:38 pace for the last 78 meters.
I know, a lot of math for someone who's problems already start at counting above two. So, please feel free to ask.
Have you ever been interested in a serious discussion about the topics you post for many hours EVERY day?
It isn't "maths", you dullard. What you can't get your head around is that there is nothing natural about a woman runner running the closing stages of a wr marathon almost as fast as the winner of the men's race, who also happens to be the fastest in history. Only an idiot like yourself would think the example of Kipyegon/El G that I provided would require dividing a 1500m race up into units of 42, as per kilometres in a marathon. The critical picture, which so many fans cannot see, is of a woman runner achieving almost the same pace as that of the very top male at the end of an endurance race in which she has already been running at a rate obliterating the previous likely doped women's wr. It is utterly farcical.
So, when Armstrong talks about the last 400m at 3:26/3:27 pace, in reality it's more like the last 78m at 3:38/3:39 pace.
This little incident nicely highlights the problems that Armstrong is posing to this forum.
You are a pedantic idiot. Each race - whether it is a 1500 or a marathon - will be run according to the demands of that distance. Of course a 1500 is not run like a marathon, so subdividing a 1500 into units of 42 to equate relative effort is absurd. That isn't what I was doing with the Kipyegon comparison. The point I was making is that there is nothing natural about a woman runner closing a race - any distance race - at same speed as one of the best males in history while she is running a wr for the distance.
So, when Armstrong talks about the last 400m at 3:26/3:27 pace, in reality it's more like the last 78m at 3:38/3:39 pace.
This little incident nicely highlights the problems that Armstrong is posing to this forum.
You are a pedantic idiot. Each race - whether it is a 1500 or a marathon - will be run according to the demands of that distance. Of course a 1500 is not run like a marathon, so subdividing a 1500 into units of 42 to equate relative effort is absurd. That isn't what I was doing with the Kipyegon comparison. The point I was making is that there is nothing natural about a woman runner closing a race - any distance race - at same speed as one of the best males in history while she is running a wr for the distance.
You compared a strong finish over 2.195km in a marathon with an much stronger finish over 400m in a 1500m race.
I put it in perspective: the portion of the race which Assefa ran at this faster pace than her average was comparable to 78m over 1500m, not 400m like you wrote (why 400m and not 800m? or 1200m?).
And the comparison to 1500m is not running at 3:26 or 3:27 pace (El G or Ingebbrigtsen, like you wrote), but around 3:38 or 3:39 pace.
Her finish is not comparable to running the last 400m of a WR 1500m race at 3:26/27 pace, but finishing the last 78m at 3:38/39 pace - did you understand now?
Nothing new that you get mad about simple facts. Because you are not interested in facts but just in keeping to your point made, and also because it's way beyond your understanding, which you know.
We are not talking about two male (or female) athletes but a woman runner virtually matching the best male marathon runner of all time, while destroying the previous world mark for a woman. It's hard to believe the lengths "fans" will go to hold on to their "fan"tasies.
What…? You’re preaching to the choir….
I’m pretty sure 90% of people on here believe it’s a ‘sketchy’ record, and another 9% are trolling.
If you follow the sport, every fast performance is sketchy. The "it was a clean" crowd is the same as the "to the gills" crowd.
No, every record isn't clean and neither are they dirty.
You are a pedantic idiot. Each race - whether it is a 1500 or a marathon - will be run according to the demands of that distance. Of course a 1500 is not run like a marathon, so subdividing a 1500 into units of 42 to equate relative effort is absurd. That isn't what I was doing with the Kipyegon comparison. The point I was making is that there is nothing natural about a woman runner closing a race - any distance race - at same speed as one of the best males in history while she is running a wr for the distance.
You compared a strong finish over 2.195km in a marathon with an much stronger finish over 400m in a 1500m race.
I put it in perspective: the portion of the race which Assefa ran at this faster pace than her average was comparable to 78m over 1500m, not 400m like you wrote (why 400m and not 800m? or 1200m?).
And the comparison to 1500m is not running at 3:26 or 3:27 pace (El G or Ingebbrigtsen, like you wrote), but around 3:38 or 3:39 pace.
Her finish is not comparable to running the last 400m of a WR 1500m race at 3:26/27 pace, but finishing the last 78m at 3:38/39 pace - did you understand now?
Nothing new that you get mad about simple facts. Because you are not interested in facts but just in keeping to your point made, and also because it's way beyond your understanding, which you know.
You are just repeating what you have failed to understand. Of course you are.
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