go away idiot instead of polluting everything thread with your racism.
We know that in your eyes, every fast white kid is fast because of incredible talent (especially those from UK) and every fast East African is fast because of doping and never the opposit.
Watching the video, I was really surprised he wasn't disqualified - definitely would have been at a Maryland High School meet. Looking at the stands and rising his right arm with a number 1 signal with ~30m left to go. Outrageous.
This kid, Niels Laros, has massive potential and he's doing it the right way by concentrating on track and speed and this is almost the polar opposite to the phenomenal runner we saw a few years ago from Sweden, another kid, Emile de la Oliva, who ran 13:28 and 28:23 at age 19, in 2020, with great things to come but then the Swedish kid made a great mistake, in my opinion, by going to Kenya and just ramping up the mileage with no end in sight, and losing his track speed and the following two - three years have given very disappointing result to the Swede so the way this Dutch kid is doing it is much better and much more intelligent in my opinion.
Speed is everything and if you have the speed base everything else is easier and more efficient.
Speed is everything? That's why Jakob smokes everybody with a 1:46 800 speed?
Strengh is everything for 1500+. If you have enough strengh, everything else is easier. Obivously that does not mean you should not train speed at all.
You're absolutely correct about speed not being "everything" but rather "decent speed" being a very useful adjunct to successful running in the middle distances and long distances. If speed were really "everything" you would have 1:44.00/800 runners dominating the middle/long distances, which is rarely or not often the case.
Aouita, 1:43.86/800 had one of the best speed bases in his day, and posted other monster times (especially at 1500-3000) of 3:29.46, 3:46.76 (mile), 7:29.45, 8:13.45 (2 miles), 12:58.39, 27:26.11, back around 1987.
El Guerrouj, was an interesting case, being dominant in his day at 1500-3000 distances, but his pb for 800 was "only" 1:47.18 in 1995. This did not stop him from posting extra terrestrial times of 3:26.00, 3:43.13 (mile!), 7:23.08 and 12:50.24.
Mo Farah also had a modest 800 best of 1:48.24 achieved in 2008 when he was 25 years old. Of course, in Farah's case, it could be argued that he did not achieve his true potential until his early 30's when Alberto Salazar revamped his training and lifestyle. Farah's range was also impressive with 3:28.81 (some will argue that the Monaco track is "short"), 7:32.62, 8:07.85 (2 miles), 12:53.11, 26:46.57, 59:32 and 2:05:11 the latter marathon at Chicago when Mo was 35 years old, in 2018. From a style and technique point of view, Mo was always my favourite with his long loping stride and ability to out psyche and out sprint his rivals in Championship 5000-10,000 races.
Now that Coevett has turned this into another Kenyan-bashing thread, all there is left is for Armstronglivs to say/imply that Laros is doping. Then rekrunner will post and this thread will be gone.
This time by Laros is especially impressive because it was a season opener. I believe he can run close to 13:10 this season.
I don't apologize. There are still posters on LetsRun today that fervently insist East Africans have a genetic advantage, as Ghost1 is in this thread. What do you think that does to young non-African kids who find this forum on Google searching for training advice? It would probably be worse if I hadn't stood my ground over these years and presented the counter case, which is being proved correct every passing day, both by the emergence of incredible non-African talents like Laros, and by every new Kenyan doping bust.
I'm proud of myself.
It amazes me how CoeOvett doesn't think East Africans have a genetic advantage. Yeah, only in Kenya would it be financially advantage to run a 2:05 marathon. Why don't we have 2;07 marathoners on EPO in Angola or Namibia, Nigeria, Benin/Senegal, Burkina Faso?
I don't apologize. There are still posters on LetsRun today that fervently insist East Africans have a genetic advantage, as Ghost1 is in this thread. What do you think that does to young non-African kids who find this forum on Google searching for training advice? It would probably be worse if I hadn't stood my ground over these years and presented the counter case, which is being proved correct every passing day, both by the emergence of incredible non-African talents like Laros, and by every new Kenyan doping bust.
I'm proud of myself.
It amazes me how CoeOvett doesn't think East Africans have a genetic advantage. Yeah, only in Kenya would it be financially advantage to run a 2:05 marathon. Why don't we have 2;07 marathoners on EPO in Angola or Namibia, Nigeria, Benin/Senegal, Burkina Faso?
India?
Sir, Coevett is an educated man, but appears to be in serious denial about the advantages whippet thin Kenyan 5.7/110 pound mini monsters have over American runners 6.0/140 which is considered skinny in America. I think that was Weldon's height and weight when I met him at McGill in 2001 where he ran 28:06. beating the Rodolfo Gomez elite Mexicans.
It amazes me how CoeOvett doesn't think East Africans have a genetic advantage. Yeah, only in Kenya would it be financially advantage to run a 2:05 marathon. Why don't we have 2;07 marathoners on EPO in Angola or Namibia, Nigeria, Benin/Senegal, Burkina Faso?
India?
Sir, Coevett is an educated man, but appears to be in serious denial about the advantages whippet thin Kenyan 5.7/110 pound mini monsters have over American runners 6.0/140 which is considered skinny in America. I think that was Weldon's height and weight when I met him at McGill in 2001 where he ran 28:06. beating the Rodolfo Gomez elite Mexicans.
Weldon looked like a giant at 6.0/140 when I saw him beat those 5.6/115 Mexicans, and running 28:06 on the rock hard McGill University track, Montreal, Canada, was incredibly impressive. All the Mexicans were asking me “who is that gringo?”
It amazes me how CoeOvett doesn't think East Africans have a genetic advantage. Yeah, only in Kenya would it be financially advantage to run a 2:05 marathon. Why don't we have 2;07 marathoners on EPO in Angola or Namibia, Nigeria, Benin/Senegal, Burkina Faso?
India?
I think it's shameful that the owner of the number 1 running site in the West, with the tag line - 'where dreams are made' - tells all the young American talents that inevitably come here at some point, that they are genetically disadvantaged. Especially after 200+ doping busts in Kenya, with a lot more to come this year now that they have been forced to test more.
You're not saying Kenyans have a genetic advantage over Nigerians or Indians. You're saying Kenyans have a genetic advantage over white kids. Kenya has a better climate than West Africa. West Africans also seem to excel at other, far more lucrative sports. How do you know it's not a case of East Africans NOT having a genetic advantage for OTHER sports?
It amazes me how CoeOvett doesn't think East Africans have a genetic advantage. Yeah, only in Kenya would it be financially advantage to run a 2:05 marathon. Why don't we have 2;07 marathoners on EPO in Angola or Namibia, Nigeria, Benin/Senegal, Burkina Faso?
India?
If the government or some private benefactor or organization offered every American 16 year old a million dollars in cash if and when they ran a 2:05 marathon, with almost a free license to use EPO to get there, how many American runners would have done so after 20 years? That's pretty much the situation in East Africa, relatively speaking. And I'd guess at least 1,000 Americans would have ran 2:05 after 20 years, and perhaps it would be far more than that.
3 Kenyans have, the WR was held by an Ethiopian. It was told him just a few days ago, but he prefers to continue with his lie.
Two athletes from the athletics power Djibouti were amongst the top 10 ever at the end of 1989.
An Ethiopian held the record in 1964, and no East African held it again until 1988 (when some here argue EPO was already being used). What's your point? Bikila was training full time at an Ethiopian government run camp at altitude, running well over 100 mpw, with regular speed sessions on the track. He was hand picked out of hundreds of thousands of fit and healthy young Ethiopian soldiers for his distance talent. This is when most Western marathoners had full time jobs and were running as little as 20 MPW. Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him. Within 6 years, FOUR Japanese, Three British, two Americans, and ZERO East Africans had run faster than Bikila.
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3 Kenyans have, the WR was held by an Ethiopian. It was told him just a few days ago, but he prefers to continue with his lie.
Two athletes from the athletics power Djibouti were amongst the top 10 ever at the end of 1989.
An Ethiopian held the record in 1964, and no East African held it again until 1988 (when some here argue EPO was already being used). What's your point? Bikila was training full time at an Ethiopian government run camp at altitude, running well over 100 mpw, with regular speed sessions on the track. He was hand picked out of hundreds of thousands of fit and healthy young Ethiopian soldiers for his distance talent. This is when most Western marathoners had full time jobs and were running as little as 20 MPW. Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him. Within 6 years, FOUR Japanese, Three British, two Americans, and ZERO East Africans had run faster than Bikila.
The point is, you are stupid and a notorious liar.
An Ethiopian held the record in 1964, and no East African held it again until 1988 (when some here argue EPO was already being used). What's your point? Bikila was training full time at an Ethiopian government run camp at altitude, running well over 100 mpw, with regular speed sessions on the track. He was hand picked out of hundreds of thousands of fit and healthy young Ethiopian soldiers for his distance talent. This is when most Western marathoners had full time jobs and were running as little as 20 MPW. Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him. Within 6 years, FOUR Japanese, Three British, two Americans, and ZERO East Africans had run faster than Bikila.
The point is, you are stupid and a notorious liar.
I think Coevett is an outspoken, knowledgeable and colourful poster…
But that doesn’t mean I side with him in everything he’s saying or thinks…
I also think Coevett is pixxed (one may say rightly or wrongly) over doping in Africa, being accused of racism, and theories of African genetically supremacy in (distance) running..
I also think Coevett formulates some good arguments against himself being a racist…
Saying all that I also can see why people get angry after reading some of his posts -f.ex if one gets suspicions about Nuguse’s name written wrong on purpose (because he’s black),. And of course the many kicks against Kenyas for merely being Kenyas (from a country with serious doping problems)…
I do like some of Coevett’s joking around on Cheruyiot being a potato farmer, and even something about the doping situation in his country connected to this (humorously). -I think he can do this, because he has never called Cheruyiot a Doper (with capital D), and because one can sense he has got quite a lot of respect for the man…
In a polarised debate one can criticise Coevett for some of his kicks. But I don’t hesitate to criticise his opponents for the same… But let the debate continue!
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An Ethiopian held the record in 1964, and no East African held it again until 1988 (when some here argue EPO was already being used). What's your point? Bikila was training full time at an Ethiopian government run camp at altitude, running well over 100 mpw, with regular speed sessions on the track. He was hand picked out of hundreds of thousands of fit and healthy young Ethiopian soldiers for his distance talent. This is when most Western marathoners had full time jobs and were running as little as 20 MPW. Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him. Within 6 years, FOUR Japanese, Three British, two Americans, and ZERO East Africans had run faster than Bikila.
The point is, you are stupid and a notorious liar.
3 Kenyans have, the WR was held by an Ethiopian. It was told him just a few days ago, but he prefers to continue with his lie.
Two athletes from the athletics power Djibouti were amongst the top 10 ever at the end of 1989.
An Ethiopian held the record in 1964, and no East African held it again until 1988 (when some here argue EPO was already being used). What's your point? Bikila was training full time at an Ethiopian government run camp at altitude, running well over 100 mpw, with regular speed sessions on the track. He was hand picked out of hundreds of thousands of fit and healthy young Ethiopian soldiers for his distance talent. This is when most Western marathoners had full time jobs and were running as little as 20 MPW. Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him. Within 6 years, FOUR Japanese, Three British, two Americans, and ZERO East Africans had run faster than Bikila.
"Within 6 years, an Australian had run nearly 3 minutes faster than him." what on earth is going on in your head? bikila turned up and broke the world record, barefoot, at the olympics...then came back four years later to retain his title when the record was much faster and took a minute off the new record. the man absolutely dominated the world. how can you try to belittle his career by comparing him to derek clayton, a good runner who never really won anything?
Shouldn't we be talking about Laros a little bit. He seems like a rich man's version of Colin Sahlman. 1:46 speed/13:23 strength. That indicates 3:34-5 potential right out the gate. That's not even accounting for if it's his best event like a Hobbs Kessler say and then you can look at 3:32-3:33 at age 17/ a young 18 which is strong company.
