So what you’re saying is: these guys are so good and Uber talented that they can beat guys who are already uber talented AND doping on top of that? Yeah, nothing fishy.
How do you know the athletes busted for doping are always “Uber talented?” There are thousands of aspiring athletes in Kenya. The ones subject to the most testing and scrutiny are the most accomplished. Kipserem and Abraham Kiptum are two athletes who you could argue were not Uber talented based on their early results in their mid-20s and then with EPO entered the ranks of the Uber talented and got busted once they got tested accordingly.
You know that the numbers caught are a mere fraction of those doping? And yet Kenya has athletes busted on a regular basis, which suggests the numbers doping are far greater. It could easily include many on your list, and probably does.
After so many threads - and so many Kenyans busted - what a silly question.
If we assume you are correct with your doping claims what would be a time that you would expect Kiptum to run without doping? Would a 2:40 satisfy you?
It is a pointless question if the conclusion arrived at is that he is likely doping - like many of his fellow Kenyan athletes.
If we assume you are correct with your doping claims what would be a time that you would expect Kiptum to run without doping? Would a 2:40 satisfy you?
It is a pointless question if the conclusion arrived at is that he is likely doping - like many of his fellow Kenyan athletes.
The question is what time do you think he would be capable of non-doped? (assuming for arguments sake he is)
I explained in my post. Are you trying to say the doping situation in Kenya has cleared up since 2019?? Unfortunately, most of them.din't get nabbed early (Kiptum - the other one - was an exception). It takes time for the ABP to form a picture, intelligence to zone in on the likely dopers etc etc. I will bet you that at least 3 of the top 10 you listed will have been busted within the next 10 years.
No I just demonstrated that the idea that 40% of Kenyan HM and up guys are getting busted is way off. 15 names, 0 busts. You’re missing that AIU and ADAK has surged testing and targeting the last year-plus.
And you are contradicting yourself. In another post you say that only the very top guys are being tested. So it's understandable that the list of top 10 Kenyan marathoners of all time (as of 2019) will have more busts than the top 15 Kenyan half marathoners in one cherry picked year.
But feel free to report this post as 'encouraging violence' to John 'the Japs had it coming' Harding
If you look at the fastest 10 Kenyan marathon runners at the end of 2019, four of them have been suspended for doping :
3. Wilson Kipsang 7, Lawrence Cherono 8. Marius Kipserem 9. Abraham Kiptum
That's 40%.
And if you think I'm cherrypicking, it will look the same way in another 4 years for the top 10 now, and maybe more of the top 10 from 2019 will have been busted by then too.
Wilson Kipsang was sanctioned for Whereabouts Failures, not PEDs.
Abraham Kiptum's #9 performance was about 35 seconds too fast, on a course measured to be 200m short. #9, #10, and #11 would be Geoffrey Mutai, Duncan Kibet, and James Kwambai, while Abraham Kiptum would slip to about #16 if corrected.
Interestingly, Ethiopia had 11 men faster than #7 Cherono, and 15 men faster than Kenya's #10 Kibet/Kwambai, with no doping busts.
It is a pointless question if the conclusion arrived at is that he is likely doping - like many of his fellow Kenyan athletes.
The question is what time do you think he would be capable of non-doped? (assuming for arguments sake he is)
It would be considerably slower than what he ran. What I don't believe is natural is how he finished, the speed of his second half and that he ran the last 10k of a marathon at essentially the same speed as Ron Clarke's former wr on the track.
The only result I’ve seen from him besides his marathons and halfs is a 10000m where he came in a good minute behind the winner (I think it was in Stockholm?). I’d like to see the splits on this race, maybe he went out super fast and died hard but it’s crazy his only track performance is slower than the final 10k of his marathon (of course he was likely not peaking for that race)