It has to be said that Ross Tucker's line of reasoning is way, way off the mark here, regardless of whether it is right for competitions to be based on biological sex. His analogy is false. Use of cars in competition is not similar to biological men entering female races. If it is not about speed, then why is it unfair? Neither side has an inherent advantage independently of speed. If there is no speed-endurance advantage, what makes it unfair? Where there is such an advantage due to biological sex, then it is surely relevant, but if, as in his own examples, there is no such advantage at all, what makes it unfair?
These responses, along with 'inclusivity' are simply annoying at this point. Please admit that the vast majority of people are not anti-transgender and don't want to exclude transgender individuals from sports. Transgender people can absolutely still fully participate in sports- they just have to compete in the category that aligns with their biological sex. If they don't feel comfortable competing according to their sex, then we can support them in embracing who they are. If you truly want people to embrace who they are- then we should help people feel confident identifying/presenting as a women while still competing against biological males- because that most accurately represents who they are.
Trans-activists may unintentionally be making things worse. The message told to transgendered individuals- particularly youth- is that if your sport/state doesn't allow you to compete in a category that doesn't align with your biological sex, then your sport/state hates you and doesn't want you to compete at all. But that is a lie! You still have as much opportunity as anyone else to compete and do the sport you love. So do it!! Identify and present yourself however you feel most comfortable and train/compete as hard as you can in the category that represents your biological sex! Show people that "biological males in sports" can look, act, and present in all different ways, but can still compete and honor the spirit of sports just as well. If people give you crap because of how you look or express yourself, screw them, and hopefully there are coaches, other runners/players, etc that can support you and put those people in their place.
*If, however, a biological male was prevented from competing against other males because that person identified as a women and presented as such, then that would absolutely be anti-trans and I would condemn that.
Please explain why 2/3 of Republicans are against trans boys competing in boys' sports.
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Transgender girls in North Carolina would be prohibited from joining female sports teams in middle school, high school and college under legislation passed Wednesday by the Republican-controlled House in...
These responses, along with 'inclusivity' are simply annoying at this point. Please admit that the vast majority of people are not anti-transgender and don't want to exclude transgender individuals from sports. Transgender people can absolutely still fully participate in sports- they just have to compete in the category that aligns with their biological sex. If they don't feel comfortable competing according to their sex, then we can support them in embracing who they are. If you truly want people to embrace who they are- then we should help people feel confident identifying/presenting as a women while still competing against biological males- because that most accurately represents who they are.
Trans-activists may unintentionally be making things worse. The message told to transgendered individuals- particularly youth- is that if your sport/state doesn't allow you to compete in a category that doesn't align with your biological sex, then your sport/state hates you and doesn't want you to compete at all. But that is a lie! You still have as much opportunity as anyone else to compete and do the sport you love. So do it!! Identify and present yourself however you feel most comfortable and train/compete as hard as you can in the category that represents your biological sex! Show people that "biological males in sports" can look, act, and present in all different ways, but can still compete and honor the spirit of sports just as well. If people give you crap because of how you look or express yourself, screw them, and hopefully there are coaches, other runners/players, etc that can support you and put those people in their place.
*If, however, a biological male was prevented from competing against other males because that person identified as a women and presented as such, then that would absolutely be anti-trans and I would condemn that.
Wrong! The feelings of a very select few trump everybody else, therefor we need to reconfigure society to appease the few.
The Hill's headline, "House Republicans pass bill to ban transgender women, girls from school sports teams" is a flat out lie.
Oh please. stop with the semantics. You are against trans women competing in sports. Saying they should compete against biological males is just an attempt to hide your true bigotry. The headline is correct. Trans women don't want to compete against biological males anymore than than trans women don't want to be required to wear jeans and ties. The bill and Tucker's bS arguement is really about not allowing trans women to compete AT ALL. You know it...the GOP Knows it. To call if 'fake news" is also stupid. You know what the intent is and you know what the intent of your post is. At least have balls to stand by it.
If a 25 yr. old doesn't want to compete against everyone else and instead only wants to compete against the U20 athletes, they are faced with two options: Either compete against people their age, or don't compete at all. Out of fairness, we don't allow those 25 yr olds to compete in the U20 division, but I'd still encourage the 25 yr. old to compete in the division that aligns with their biology because I want everyone to enjoy the sport I love. *I'll admit there's more complexity with transgender athletes because so much of people's identity are wrapped up in the gender they present as. While I can sympathize with that, it doesn't change biological differences and categories.
Assuming everyone just hates people and wants to make their lives miserable by excluding them from things is really condescending and isn't going to help you work with people to make things better. Sometimes people are just terrible, sometimes there's just multiple perspectives on an issue. If you want to continue believing everyone is just hateful bigots when they disagree with you, whatever, go ahead, but I think that's going to lead a lot of frustration and ultimately won't help you achieve the positive change you want.
These responses, along with 'inclusivity' are simply annoying at this point. Please admit that the vast majority of people are not anti-transgender and don't want to exclude transgender individuals from sports. Transgender people can absolutely still fully participate in sports- they just have to compete in the category that aligns with their biological sex. If they don't feel comfortable competing according to their sex, then we can support them in embracing who they are. If you truly want people to embrace who they are- then we should help people feel confident identifying/presenting as a women while still competing against biological males- because that most accurately represents who they are.
Trans-activists may unintentionally be making things worse. The message told to transgendered individuals- particularly youth- is that if your sport/state doesn't allow you to compete in a category that doesn't align with your biological sex, then your sport/state hates you and doesn't want you to compete at all. But that is a lie! You still have as much opportunity as anyone else to compete and do the sport you love. So do it!! Identify and present yourself however you feel most comfortable and train/compete as hard as you can in the category that represents your biological sex! Show people that "biological males in sports" can look, act, and present in all different ways, but can still compete and honor the spirit of sports just as well. If people give you crap because of how you look or express yourself, screw them, and hopefully there are coaches, other runners/players, etc that can support you and put those people in their place.
*If, however, a biological male was prevented from competing against other males because that person identified as a women and presented as such, then that would absolutely be anti-trans and I would condemn that.
Please explain why 2/3 of Republicans are against trans boys competing in boys' sports.
A transgender boy is a biological female who identifies as a boy. These Republicans likely want sports to separated by biological sex (Like the NC bill). Therefore, a biological female would not compete with biological males. In the case there is no team for biological females, then the females could compete with the males because everyone should have the opportunity to compete.
*If a transgender girl (a biological male who identified as a girl) was prevented from competing on the 'boy's' (male) team, then I would absolutely be against that.
If a 25 yr. old doesn't want to compete against everyone else and instead only wants to compete against the U20 athletes, they are faced with two options: Either compete against people their age, or don't compete at all. Out of fairness, we don't allow those 25 yr olds to compete in the U20 division, but I'd still encourage the 25 yr. old to compete in the division that aligns with their biology because I want everyone to enjoy the sport I love. *I'll admit there's more complexity with transgender athletes because so much of people's identity are wrapped up in the gender they present as. While I can sympathize with that, it doesn't change biological differences and categories.
A 25 yr old used to be 19, and he was once eligible to compete in U20.
When was a transgender girl eligible to compete in the girls' sports in your opinion?
1) you are anti-trans. Here's why, you can't say you support a group then dictate which rights they have and which they don't. It's like saying you aren't races and supports African American's right to vote...but not in presidential elections. Without a full complement of rights, it's meaningless support.
2) you either intentionally misrepresented what was said in an article. I doubt you remember because you were too busy trying to be a bigot. When I called you out on it...you REFUSED to change the article you wrote about it. (I have the emails)
Your analogy isn't valid. An African an american voting doesn't prevent a white person voting. They still get to vote. A biological male competing in women's sport does prevent a biological female from competing (and/or finishing higher).
Aren’t there an infinite number of spots for females to compete? I was at a HS meet the other day and there was a girl who ran over 8:00 for the 1600. If there was a 12:00 miler, they would have let her run as well. There are not a fixed amount of spots that transathletes bump runners out of.
A transgender boy is a biological female who identifies as a boy. These Republicans likely want sports to separated by biological sex (Like the NC bill). Therefore, a biological female would not compete with biological males. In the case there is no team for biological females, then the females could compete with the males because everyone should have the opportunity to compete.
*If a transgender girl (a biological male who identified as a girl) was prevented from competing on the 'boy's' (male) team, then I would absolutely be against that.
So the argument is NOT about competitive fairness, since I don't think it is unfair to cis boys if a trans boy is allowed to compete on a boys' team.
They just want to separate sports based on sex at birth, regardless of any competitive advantage.
Rojo, when I post my what will now be a daily, "COVID came from a lab", reminder later today... Can you keep your twinkie mods from censoring the truth. Thanks!
So, you're the peoples' virologist? An expert in the subject of Coronaviruses and their mutations?
If a 25 yr. old doesn't want to compete against everyone else and instead only wants to compete against the U20 athletes, they are faced with two options: Either compete against people their age, or don't compete at all. Out of fairness, we don't allow those 25 yr olds to compete in the U20 division, but I'd still encourage the 25 yr. old to compete in the division that aligns with their biology because I want everyone to enjoy the sport I love.
I've never actually heard of a 25-year-old doing this, so it's a bit of a moot point, but even if it was not, age and gender are not equally fluid. For instance, you can go to your state's DMV or your company's HR department and change your gender. You cannot do the same thing with your age.
If your #1 goal of all goals is to have people enjoy the sport, then don't tell them which division they are allowed to compete in. You mandating such a thing does not affect you at all, but it will undoubtedly lead to many not enjoying the sport you love.
The analogy between using a car in a foot race and being transgender in competition is so flawed it pains me. One might rather find a slightly closer analogy with the potential mechanical doping involving footwear but Kenenisa Bekele in 2005 had an advantage over the rest of the world and nobody compared it to using a vehicle. Learn to think folks.
Allowing a swimmer to dominate against women impacted thousands of women. It impacts their enjoyment of the sport. It impacted my enjoyment of the sport. So by making one person happy, thousands were negatively impacted. You aremakung no sense.
The analogy between using a car in a foot race and being transgender in competition is so flawed it pains me. One might rather find a slightly closer analogy with the potential mechanical doping involving footwear but Kenenisa Bekele in 2005 had an advantage over the rest of the world and nobody compared it to using a vehicle. Learn to think folks.
The analogy between using "better shoes" in a foot race and being transgender in competition is so flawed it pains me.
Even you admit is only a "slightly closer analogy", you just like hearing yourself speak.
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Ross Tucker didn't bring up the analogy he responded to it using the logic presented by the original tweet, and showed it was illogical. You even admitted it's flawed, that is the entire point. Read the tread.
The analogy between using a car in a foot race and being transgender in competition is so flawed it pains me. One might rather find a slightly closer analogy with the potential mechanical doping involving footwear but Kenenisa Bekele in 2005 had an advantage over the rest of the world and nobody compared it to using a vehicle. Learn to think folks.
The analogy between using "better shoes" in a foot race and being transgender in competition is so flawed it pains me.
Even you admit is only a "slightly closer analogy", you just like hearing yourself speak.
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Ross Tucker didn't bring up the analogy he responded to it using the logic presented by the original tweet, and showed it was illogical. You even admitted it's flawed, that is the entire point. Read the tread.
OK so reading with comprehension not your strength. I NEVER compared being transgender with mechanical doping. I was saying that mechanical doping with footwear is SLIGHTLY more analogous to using a vehicle in a foot race, so to illustrate for someone like you, using roller skates would be a bit closer to using a vehicle. Some of you are so slow it does pain me.
The Hill's headline, "House Republicans pass bill to ban transgender women, girls from school sports teams" is a flat out lie.
Oh please. stop with the semantics. You are against trans women competing in sports. Saying they should compete against biological males is just an attempt to hide your true bigotry. The headline is correct. Trans women don't want to compete against biological males anymore than than trans women don't want to be required to wear jeans and ties. The bill and Tucker's bS arguement is really about not allowing trans women to compete AT ALL. You know it...the GOP Knows it. To call if 'fake news" is also stupid. You know what the intent is and you know what the intent of your post is. At least have balls to stand by it.
You're comparing apples and oranges, though.
Trans-identified males wanting the right not to be be required to wear jeans and ties or other clothes they dislike is not analogous to them wanting the right to participate in girls and women's sports.
Just because some males "don't want to compete against [other] biological males anymore" does not give them the right to insert themselves into the oppposite sex category and compete against female people.
Female people have a right to to say no, we don't consent to being forced, commanded, manipulated, cry-bullied, shamed, wheedled, guilt-tripped, sweet-talked or bullshxtted into to allowing males to muscle in on girls' and women's sports and making us compete against males. No matter how those males dress and perceive of themselves, what they call themselves, and how nice some of them might be as individuals.
Female people also have a right to say no, we don't consent to being forced, commanded, manipulated, cry-bullied, shamed, wheedled, guilt-tripped, sweet-talked or bullshxtted into having to share our locker rooms, loos, showers, shelters, rape crisis centers, battered women's refuges, prison cells, barracks, hosptial rooms, nursing home living quarters, etc with all the adolescent and adult males who nowadays want in on these spaces. No matter how those males dress and perceive of themselves, what they call themselves, and how nice some of them might be as individuals.
Your framing suggests that in your eyes, the only people whose wants matter here are the males who no longer want to compete against others of their sex. You seem to think that what female people want, and don't want, doesn't count at all - that when it comes to gender identity ideology being used as a mechanism to force males into women's and girls sports and spaces, female people get no say.
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