Title. Anyone should be able to get there off of 60 mpw
I honestly love this site, but it's sometimes out of touch with how realistic it views general population running ability. Most people can't even run 40 minutes in the 10k.
live in UK, started running at 19/20, just before turning 28 ran 30:48 on 75M/week and haven't got back to that in the last year
I'd say I take the sport/training incredibly seriously - more than I should for my ability - and don't deem myself to be very talented (my 1500/Mile/3000 really are not good), I'm just a grinder.
I don't have the experience of being in the NCAA system, but from knowing athletics in the UK very well (especially across London) I'd say sub30 for 10K is very impressive, it's not easy and I think some guys in the U.S. take for granted the level of training, expertise and resources at their fingertips, ontop of the fact that you're starting your aerobic development from such a young age - all making it look simpler than it is
Of course a 29:45 guy isn't going to Trials or making a Worlds Team. I'd argue any runner with enough time and dedication could get under 33, but some train endlessly and will not crack 30, I've seen so many of them first hand. Consider that this message board praises the blue collar athlete working whilst running a 2:18 'thon though, which is well in line with a sub30.
There are a lot of threads like this, and they all sort of seem to boil down to: "what I can do should be considered the international standard cutoff line for excellence."
I've only dipped under 30 twice (barely) and both times it was on the road. You can take that for what it's worth but one of them was at Peachtree so I guess that might have some credit.
0/10. At most local running clubs if you are a sub 30 runner you are a running god!
A sub 30:00 10k guy is going to win nearly any local road race from 5k to a Half Marathon...
Actually, this is true of a 15:00 5k guy, let alone the sub-30. Anyway, OP’s initial premise that sub-30 is doable for most males running 60 mpw is dubious.
This reminds me of the story of a couple meeting Terry Tao and saying excitedly, "Our daughter just earned a Ph.D. in mathematics!" Sneeringly, he replied, "Earning a Ph.D. in math isn't impressive."
Or maybe it doesn't, since he'd never be a big enough tool for that to happen.
But I figured 30 was around Ph.D.-earning level compared to him. If he would ever suffer personality erosion to devolve into that sneering sort, he could probably look down his nose at the equivalent of a 26:20.
Looking at UK where - with no collegiate system they have a very strong club running scene - and have the Night of the 10000s to encourage fast times, exactly 40 men broke 30 min for 10000m on the track last year.
live in UK, started running at 19/20, just before turning 28 ran 30:48 on 75M/week and haven't got back to that in the last year
I'd say I take the sport/training incredibly seriously - more than I should for my ability - and don't deem myself to be very talented (my 1500/Mile/3000 really are not good), I'm just a grinder.
I don't have the experience of being in the NCAA system, but from knowing athletics in the UK very well (especially across London) I'd say sub30 for 10K is very impressive, it's not easy and I think some guys in the U.S. take for granted the level of training, expertise and resources at their fingertips, ontop of the fact that you're starting your aerobic development from such a young age - all making it look simpler than it is
Of course a 29:45 guy isn't going to Trials or making a Worlds Team. I'd argue any runner with enough time and dedication could get under 33, but some train endlessly and will not crack 30, I've seen so many of them first hand. Consider that this message board praises the blue collar athlete working whilst running a 2:18 'thon though, which is well in line with a sub30.
I'm guessing you run around 4:00-4:07 for 1500, and 8:35-8:45 for 3000. I've seen many runners like this.
Running message board: anyone can run sub 30 10K Lifting message board: anyone can squat 400 Climbing message board: anyone can boulder V10/climb 5.13+ Etc. ... basically pick some high standard that the OP has barely done, or thinks he might do someday if everything goes just right Troll on, boys
live in UK, started running at 19/20, just before turning 28 ran 30:48 on 75M/week and haven't got back to that in the last year
I'd say I take the sport/training incredibly seriously - more than I should for my ability - and don't deem myself to be very talented (my 1500/Mile/3000 really are not good), I'm just a grinder.
I don't have the experience of being in the NCAA system, but from knowing athletics in the UK very well (especially across London) I'd say sub30 for 10K is very impressive, it's not easy and I think some guys in the U.S. take for granted the level of training, expertise and resources at their fingertips, ontop of the fact that you're starting your aerobic development from such a young age - all making it look simpler than it is
Of course a 29:45 guy isn't going to Trials or making a Worlds Team. I'd argue any runner with enough time and dedication could get under 33, but some train endlessly and will not crack 30, I've seen so many of them first hand. Consider that this message board praises the blue collar athlete working whilst running a 2:18 'thon though, which is well in line with a sub30.
I'm guessing you run around 4:00-4:07 for 1500, and 8:35-8:45 for 3000. I've seen many runners like this.
yeah even worse.. 4:12, 8:43, 14:50, 30:48 but will admit I've never trained for a 1500 and haven't the best sense of direction on how to
That was roughly my 10-week training cycle for a 10K. I started the 400m at a pace of 68'' per lap and at the end of the cycle they were at 66''/67''. Start the 1000m at 3'05'' and finish at 2'55''/2'53''. Results Race 01. 10km 30'17'' Race 02. 5000m 14'15'' Race 03. 10km 29'48'' PB
sub 30 is easy. Our workout today was 8k hard (probably 10 mile-ish pace) followed by 3x1k at track 5k, 5k, 3k effort off short rest. I only run about 65 mpw and ran 23:50, 2:50, 48, 40.
Sub 30 is not a barrier people should care about. It's the equivalent of a 4:10 mile - an easy time.