Somebody calm McArdle the F*ck down!!!

I heard Tom now weighs and deuce or deuce and a half. Is this true?

If you go through McArdle's log before his achilles injury

you can see the training errors that created it. Pain is the

teacher.

Jason,

VERY good post. You realize what many marathoners fail to grasp namely that any idiot can train himself into the ground. It takes smarts to get yourself to the line fit, rested and ready to roll.

I'll be very interested to see what you're able to do in the next few years provided you're able to keep your head about you.

JasonInBangkok wrote:

Quality runs like 25miles in 5;40pace and 6x1mile is good stuff, but at the right time, like when you are healthy and relaxed and the workout is not going to take you apart!

I agree. I ran a very tough 18 mile run about a month ago and I got hurt from it. I have not been able to do any running since and I have to cancel my San Diego Rock'N'Roll marathon plans.

I not only did not get any benefits from my effort, I actually

lost a lot of my fitness over it. If I had calmed down a little and paid attention to my nagging pains, I would have been a lot better off. Now I am stuck doing my workouts on a stairmaster, which really sucks.

you guys do realize that the 25 mile run at 5:40 pace never actually took place, right? some guy was just using it as an exaggerated example

Hodgie,

You're wasting your time dealing with the kool-aids on this board. Nobody likes old school. Nobody is impressed by your resume(as I am). Nobody wants to talk about Beardsley. Nobody wants to roadrace(save Eddy). This board has devolved into a forum for 16-22 year olds who rag on each other all day. Don't be like Jordan. Stay retired. Stay off this board. You'll never reach these ingrates.

christmas warhorse wrote:

you guys do realize that the 25 mile run at 5:40 pace never actually took place, right? some guy was just using it as an exaggerated example

Of course. I was using that example for my example.

Guys, the exact point of my original post - where was the coach in all of this? Based on Tom's journal, their reported discussions centered around upcoming races and there was no mention by Tom that he was training despite his coach's wishes.

I can see if he tried unsuccessfully to train through these problems for 4-5 weeks. But after 5 MONTHS it is still, "I plan to take the next two days off and put this injury behind me and coach wants me to be ready for Penn Relays" only to be followed by a killer workout.

This is a great lesson for young runners - PAIN is your friend, saying that something is wrong. Heed the warning, take the necessary steps to get well and then gradually return to action.

Most coaches don't have a long-term outlook. I would say that Tom's coach has a two-month plan for Tom. After that, the coach won't care if they have to amputate Tom's leg off because he will have run out of eligibility. The best coaches try to get the most out of their runners without destroying the athlete. The rest just run their athletes into the ground and hope a few survive. It seems like Tom's coach is the latter.

Also, if the coach puts up a race schedule with Tom's name in it, he is saying loud and clear that Tom better train through his injuries. Nobody schedules their athlete for a race and then says don't train for it.

Utah,

Thanks for your concern.

Utah say,

>This board has devolved into a forum for 16-22 year olds who rag on each other all day<

Then why are YOU on here giving me advice??

I'm calmer than you are Dude.

"Then why are YOU on here giving me advice??"

Because I'm an old married man wishing he was still 16-22 years old

biwot WE: Whewe the heww is his coach? 4/23/2003 11:06AM - in wepwy to fwed Wepwy | Wetuwn to Index | Wepowt Post Guys, the exact point of my owiginaw post - whewe was the coach in aww of this? Based on Tom's jouwnaw, theiw wepowted discussions centewed awound upcoming waces and thewe was no mention by Tom that he was twaining despite his coach's wishes. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! I can see if he twied unsuccessfuwwy to twain thwough these pwobwems fow 4-5 weeks. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! But aftew 5 MONDS it is stiww, "I pwan to take the next two days off and put this injuwy behind me and coach wants me to be weady fow Penn Weways" onwy to be fowwowed by a kiwwew wowkout. Dis is a gweat wesson fow young wunnews - PAIN is youw fwiend, saying that something is wwong. Heed the wawning, take the necessawy steps to get weww and then gwaduawwy wetuwn to action, uh-hah-hah-hah.

wow. did you really just edit his whole post to do that? Wow. Mcardle, take some time off dogg.

Biwott, Broken Runner, Fred, Etc.,

Do any of you actually know McCardle's coach? Do you even know his name? Or are you just talking out your ass?

My guess is you are talking out your ass like most of the player-haters on this board.

Barry Harwick is one of the best, most underrated college coaches out there. If he coached at Satanford (no spelling error) and could get half of the footlocker finalists every year, he'd be winning national titles. But, he coaches at a non-scholarship Ivy. He is the type of coach who says "here is what you need to do to run fast" Whether you do it or not is up to you. Since you arent on scholarship, he doesnt own you, and if you want to blow off morning runs, weekend runs, and drink beer at the Ep, thats fine with him. You and your parents are paying the 30k in tuition, you have that right. Likewise if you want to run 120 miles a week, he will let you do that too, though he might advise against it. He will lead you to water, but it's up to you to drink.

That is the way it should be. I can garantee you Barry would never make one of his athletes do something injurious to themselves for his personal gain. He's been at Dartmouth for ten years, and even if his teams never win another Heps, his job is secure.

So please dont try to paint the picture of the tobacco chewing football coach who sned his boys out to the field on painkillers and cortisone to risk knee replacements. He's about as far opposite of that as you can get.

But then again, all of you are just people trying to start an online arguement and piss people off, so Ive probably already lost by posting in the first place.

No, you haven't lost. I bet many people here are speaking on slim to none factual information.

You are right; I am going on slim information just like Leverone's Lovechild. If I want to get injured repeatedly, I will give Barry a call.

First off, Mandy Moore is hot.

Secondly, why does everybody on this board always bash other people. It seems that American distance running is worse off because people like all you posters sit at their computers and write crap about other people eventhough you cant run 17 minutes for 5k. Wouldnt it be much more beneficial if you didnt waist your time bashing people and instead went out and ran, or supported your local kids high school program.

You all are haters. What we need now is people to SUPPORT others, offer good advice and HELP distance running in America make a comeback.

Actually, I ran 15:03 for 5K in college and was very disappointed with that time. I was able to run about that time in high school, and was disappointed with the way all four different coaches I had (one for each year that I was in college) went about pounding me into the ground. They all had the same short-sighted run with the pain attitude. When I finally would pull up lame, there was a lot of pressure to just deal with the pain and do more intervals. I never had one of them sit down and discuss a way to heal up and train hard and effectively without getting injured. So college for me was a get injured, get a little bit of rest and get injured again kind of thing. This is similar to the discussions about Tom's predicament. It is my belief that there are very few good college coaches out there with a long-term developmental view.

Most will destroy ten decent runners to get one good one. Barry might be an exception, but I doubt it. He has Tom and he can barely keep the guys legs together.