Centro is one of the greats. He ran 13:00 for a 5k and 1:44.
13 flat is pretty good. It was great until the 1990s.
1:44 is pretty good. It was great until the 1970s
You need a time machine
I hear you, but the point is Centro was pretty strong. I think he had the chops to be more like a 12:50 guy, which still ain’t that fast. A final world championship won in 3:29 and change shouldn’t have scared him in the new super shoes, although I doubt he would’ve been top 2 this year.
13 flat is pretty good. It was great until the 1990s.
1:44 is pretty good. It was great until the 1970s
You need a time machine
I hear you, but the point is Centro was pretty strong. I think he had the chops to be more like a 12:50 guy, which still ain’t that fast. A final world championship won in 3:29 and change shouldn’t have scared him in the new super shoes, although I doubt he would’ve been top 2 this year.
Centro was never going to run 12:50 dude. Maybe if he trained for the 5k his entire career instead of focusing on the 1500, but that’s a BIG maybe. A 12:50 athlete doesn’t run 13:00 in a perfectly paced time trial with his teammates.
He might’ve been top 5 in Eugene on a good day, but just looking at his career it’s obvious he was better suited to slower races. The fastest he ever ran to earn a global medal was 3:36.
im not seeing the new spikes doing anything for the high level pros. maybe they make lower runners with mechanical deficiencies a bit better, but the professional 1500 times haven't been anything special. and the 800 has been almost putrid for a couple years.
Disagree. You need to look at a slightly bigger picture. The times run by men and women in 3000, 5000, 10000 on track and in road races have definitely moved on considerably since 2018. Then look at the women in the 1500m. It is implausible that it wouldn't have an effect on men over 1500m. I would say that the advanced spikes have helped over 1500m by at least 1 sec. If you then consider the concerted efforts of Mondo to make each new track for a World or Olympic championships the fastest ever, we can probably add on another second.
Go back to tracks and spikes of 10 years ago and get rid of light pacing and I see Ingebrigtsen as a 3:29 athlete and the likes of Kipsang, Wightman, Kerr as 3:30/3:31 guys.
Look at the stats between pre and post 'super spikes'.
Lets take the number of performances a) below 3:31 and b) below 3:32. I have left out 2020 as there was a limited circuit and many athletes did not compete due to Covid pandemic.
2016 - a) 2, b) 10
2017 - a) 4, b) 7
2018 - a) 5, b) 17
Introduction of new 'Super spikes'
2019 - a) 12, b) 31
2021 - a) 13, b) 25
This topic has been done to death and you are wrong. Greater depth does not prove the new spikes have the effect you are attributing to them. Until someone can explain why all of the athletes running fast prior to 2019 haven’t obliterated their old marks with the new tech, there is no reason to believe the absurd super spike hype.
Centro is one of the greats. He ran 13:00 for a 5k and 1:44.
13 flat is pretty good. It was great until the 1990s.
1:44 is pretty good. It was great until the 1970s
You need a time machine
1:44.0 would have been the WR in 1970! By the end of the 70's only 9 guys had run faster than 1:44, and 8 of those had only bettered it by 0.6 secs or less.
I'd say a 1:44 was still great up to the end of the 80's.