Sure, sure. You are either very rich or very bad with money. He can get injured tomorrow. He may not progress. If those things happen which are equally likely to improving, he has no money and no championships.
Sure, sure. You are either very rich or very bad with money. He can get injured tomorrow. He may not progress. If those things happen which are equally likely to improving, he has no money and no championships.
#2 U20 indoor miler of all time.
He would not have received a full ride, because nobody does anymore. Getting paid an actual salary to run instead of getting “paid” in education is so much better a deal that it is really hard to put into words. College in the US is the biggest scam that exists in the world today, and it’s so hilarious to watch people who were duped by it continue to find ways to force other people into it.
Just from reading your last sentence shows just how moronic you really are. Ron is 78...and he is a pisser to be around, trust me.
Plus your money assumption is way way off. Lets just say that, length and proposed totals. NO GREAT GREAT runner, trains in the College system, for too long, that includes prodigy sprinters.
Try hard to update your knowledge. And from there try to keep up. You are so far off its scary, but commonplace on here in quantity. Not only are you mean spirited, you are wrong on everything. Do you think Ingerbritsen thinks he is missing much from not running College? I doubt that. Ask Cheserek how building a trophy closet of his own for Oregon worked out for him?
Phil Knight did not even give him a deal for all that frigging hardware.
In this sport, take the money when you can if its substantial and life changing and this was, you are one injury away from never getting paid s-i-
menchy, like your stuff, but he would have had a completely "Full Ride" at multiple places, this I do know for a fact.
You are right, it is rare, but he was a Full Ride guy for multiple programs, ya gotta trust me on this one.
knowing howitgoes wrote:
Said it in the summer, and I'll say it again now (and I hope I'm ultimately proven wrong).
But the advice to turn pro at 18, for this still maturing, very talented athlete, was 100% incorrect.
His parents, Ron W, Willis, etc, have done him a disservice.
He obviously could only take the advice of the experienced folks around him.
They should have understood that it's hard enough to turn pro AFTER college, let alone right out of high school.
He gains nothing by turning pro at 18, except some extra pocket change, in the long run, and that's if he makes it.
He could have been at NAU (or anywhere on a good college team), maturing, growing his aerobic strength, bonding with his teammates, maturing as a racer, etc etc etc etc.
Instead, he has a very limited training group, with guys 8 to 25 years older, he has the immediate pressure of a pro mentality, where a lot of it is about money for him, his agent, his sponsor, etc, and the pressure and disenchantment that might bring if he is running mediocrely (for a pro), which is a high likelihood for a few years.
he had an incredible track season last year, and he is the future. But he is not the NOW.
I hope he's mentally and emotionally strong enough to weather the next 3 or so years.
And I still can't understand why the folks around him did him so wrong!
Rubbish. He can always go to college.
He's making money, he's running, he's with all your heroes. Beating them and racing them.
What better could an 18 year old hope for?
You problem is you are too USA centric. People skip college all over the world and have happy and productive careers.
Runners have a short window of opportunity. This is his
He seems to be doing fine. That pro money is nothing to sneeze at.
He doesn't have to go the cookie-cutter route. His will have its own challenges. That doesn't make it worse.
I'm still trying to understand why the Hoey brothers went pro. Personally, I would like to have seen all of these kids in college (including Hunter). And hey, if you dominate college and want to bail early like Webb, McLaughlin or Athing, good on you. But it least you gave it the old college try, so to speak.
But none of the would have gotten anything if they had gone the college route.
500k a year? That sounds insane. Not saying it’s false but why the heck would adidas pay that much lol? I understand he has the awe of a hs mile record holder..but still 500k? How would Hobbs possibly make adidas a return on their investment? 500k a year is more than some entry level pro baseball and bball players basically..and clearly track isn’t as marketable as the other sports? I would think something like 120k a year at most would be more realistic (and even then, that seems like a ton of annual money to me to be making as a teen where your job is just to “race”)
Honestly good for Hobbs if he’s getting 500k a year. I just fail to see the logic as to why adidas offers something that high to a pro runner. Like I don’t see how the value is justified but more so just in jealously if that’s what he’s making as a teenager right now lol
woweee500k wrote:
500k a year? That sounds insane. Not saying it’s false but why the heck would adidas pay that much lol? I understand he has the awe of a hs mile record holder..but still 500k? How would Hobbs possibly make adidas a return on their investment? 500k a year is more than some entry level pro baseball and bball players basically..and clearly track isn’t as marketable as the other sports? I would think something like 120k a year at most would be more realistic (and even then, that seems like a ton of annual money to me to be making as a teen where your job is just to “race”)
Honestly good for Hobbs if he’s getting 500k a year. I just fail to see the logic as to why adidas offers something that high to a pro runner. Like I don’t see how the value is justified but more so just in jealously if that’s what he’s making as a teenager right now lol
500k a year is chump change to a large corporation like adidas.
there are diversity and inclusion managers at adidas making that much - they also dont provide much value
if hobbs can turn into a dominant pro, the exposure of him whoring himself out on social media hyping the adidas brand is enough to make it a decent investment for them
woweee500k wrote:
500k a year? That sounds insane. Not saying it’s false but why the heck would adidas pay that much lol? I understand he has the awe of a hs mile record holder..but still 500k? How would Hobbs possibly make adidas a return on their investment? 500k a year is more than some entry level pro baseball and bball players basically..and clearly track isn’t as marketable as the other sports? I would think something like 120k a year at most would be more realistic (and even then, that seems like a ton of annual money to me to be making as a teen where your job is just to “race”)
Honestly good for Hobbs if he’s getting 500k a year. I just fail to see the logic as to why adidas offers something that high to a pro runner. Like I don’t see how the value is justified but more so just in jealously if that’s what he’s making as a teenager right now lol
Same two reasons any other pro athlete gets paid a lot:
1) The company thinks it will help their bottom line on net (at least in expectation).
2) The company is competing with its rivals to get him under contract.
Point (1) is why Adidas is willing to pay this amount in principle. [And keep in my that this is chump change compared to deals Adidas makes in other pro sports.]
Point (2) is why Adidas doesn't just offer the minimum amount that would convince an 18-year-old to sign a contract.
holterskolter2 wrote:
Meanwhile: Evan Jager. Does anybody think he made the wrong decision? He transitioned well from high school to pro. I'm not convinced going to NCAA would have been a better career choice for him.
Jager ran at the University of Wisconsin.
knowing howitgoes wrote:
Said it in the summer, and I'll say it again now (and I hope I'm ultimately proven wrong).
But the advice to turn pro at 18, for this still maturing, very talented athlete, was 100% incorrect.
His parents, Ron W, Willis, etc, have done him a disservice.
He obviously could only take the advice of the experienced folks around him.
They should have understood that it's hard enough to turn pro AFTER college, let alone right out of high school.
He gains nothing by turning pro at 18, except some extra pocket change, in the long run, and that's if he makes it.
He could have been at NAU (or anywhere on a good college team), maturing, growing his aerobic strength, bonding with his teammates, maturing as a racer, etc etc etc etc.
Instead, he has a very limited training group, with guys 8 to 25 years older, he has the immediate pressure of a pro mentality, where a lot of it is about money for him, his agent, his sponsor, etc, and the pressure and disenchantment that might bring if he is running mediocrely (for a pro), which is a high likelihood for a few years.
he had an incredible track season last year, and he is the future. But he is not the NOW.
I hope he's mentally and emotionally strong enough to weather the next 3 or so years.
And I still can't understand why the folks around him did him so wrong!
I disagree. You want to be one of the best in the world? Then you train and live like a pro. College atmosphere is "fun" and has it's own social rewards, but it does nothing to improve his long term or short term running. As another poster pointed out, look at how the current top milers around the world did it... nobody went through anything close to the grind of the American collegiate system. Having said that, being a pro is not easy and yes it requires a certain level of mental and emotional maturity to make it work, but that would apply anywhere he trains and races (NCAA included).
I'm sure his sponsors know that the first few years with him may be a bust. If he doesn't burn out, it could be a great approach. The benefit is you get to take a long term approach, doing all the things you mentioned. He'll be able to train with, race, and learn from the pros, there's no downside to this. Training with faster/more intelligent runners is the way to go. And he'll make some money as a bonus.
Have people forgotten that as a 17 year old high schooler Mary Cain raced in a World Championships final in the 1500? World championship final in high school! She didn't go to the NCAA cause there was literally no competition for her, she was better then all of the NCAA runners in her event as just a high schooler.
Mary Cain still got a college degree. She studied and took classes while being a pro athlete instead of going the NCAA athlete route. But her choice of going pro was very logical, it's where her real competition was.
But sadly she was then abused by a coach that is now banned from the sport, but that is a failure on Nike and the sport for allowing it to happen, not her.
Just like Mu did.
aztec the moronic wrote:
So let's say he's guaranteed 500k for 5 years, that's 2.5 million. Would you rather have 2.5 million or the opportunity to win 3-4 NCAA team championships?
I think it would be DUMB to take the money. That NCAA experience is priceless. You can make NIL money while in college to cover some of the loss, and if you run well that 500k contract will be there when you graduate.
Now he spends all his time with *****deleted by mods as it was off topic***** Nick Willis and an 80 year old coach. That doesn't sound fun.
lmfao
I think the jury is still out on whether this was the right call **for his running development**. If he actually got the money people are saying then yes, he would be foolish to turn it down. What I don't get is why go down to Flagstaff and take classes at NAU anyway? Isn't it a mediocre/bad academic institution? If he's gonna be training a lot in Ann Arbor anyway why not get a better education at Michigan?
hes getting used to a new training volume bud. He'll be really good in a bit
It all comes down to the individual. Some people thrive under the colleges system while others can’t handle the extracurricular activity. Same goes for the pros. It’s two different systems that different people benefit from.