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What???? I pity the OP.
She dropped with 200 to go. Weak.
At 1400m her options were tie up and struggle in with bad form, risking injury -- or dnf. This wasn't a big race for her. She doesn't need a hobby-jogger finisher award.
technotronic trainer wrote:
At 1400m her options were tie up and struggle in with bad form, risking injury -- or dnf. This wasn't a big race for her. She doesn't need a hobby-jogger finisher award.
When did someone get injured from running a positive split?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
technotronic trainer wrote:
At 1400m her options were tie up and struggle in with bad form, risking injury -- or dnf. This wasn't a big race for her. She doesn't need a hobby-jogger finisher award.
When did someone get injured from running a positive split?
There is much that makes no sense posted here. It is easy to justify what happens after the fact. She took a chance and learned something. She should have finished but it is not that big of a deal.
rojo wrote:
Dropping out doesn't bother me. As I was watching the race, I was like, "Wow she's right there in the lead pack. How is this possible? What are we seeing here?"
Physiologically speaking, anything under 4:25 didn't seem conceivable but I was certainlly conceiving sub-4:20 halfway in to the race.
Did I get way more enjoyment out of that than watching Donavan Brazier/Raevyn Rogers run the 400? Yes I did.
I don't want to see pros get appearance fees to run off race events unless they are going to go for it. She went for it.
Dropping out doesn't bother me if its injury related; if she felt something was off or even thought, "If I try to finish this I'm going to strain or injury something." But I think she dropped out because she was going to blow up a little (but still, she could've slipped under 4:30...and 49.xx 400 up to 4:28-30 for mile (if she finished just cruising) is awesome range for a young lady!) and finish near the back and she didn't come there for that. But heck, we never really know what goes through a person's mind in a hard race, slightly beyond themselves when the sarcolactic acid is giving you the 'white spots' in your eyes and your most recent meal feels like it's going to come up any second if you just sneeze or cough...so kudos to her for trying, but I think she earned a 'whole 'nother respect' for the distance... I had a few DNF's in my day, usually injury related...always hated I couldn't finish and just made me plan better and execute better next time. But I feel you Rojo. Totally get what you're saying from multiple angles.
rojo, do you LOVE Mu as much as you LOVE Elizabeth Holmes? A LOT and a TON? Does she make you nearly fall off your chair?
200 meters is along way to go when you are starting to tie up, but certainly she could have come in sub 4:10 for 1500.
i am not a fan of the dnf, but i don't know what she was feeling. either way, it is not something im celebrating.
Respect to Mu for trying a race outside her comfort zone. Love that, for sure. But creating a post to slobber all over her for not finishing really is strange. Looks like commenters are virtually unanimous on this. This isn't the first post like this. It is kowtowing to the libs on here who are horrified that occasional right-leaning comments are sometimes permitted to remain up.
Here is a video of the race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Xu8Zcific
clearly Athing wasn't able to follow the pace at 3:17, so she abandoned.
Mile/1500m are the opening dors of long distances. This is the reason that runners that comes from high are better than those that come short.
Asbel Kiprop was junior Cross Country World Champion.
Athing can progress in the mile be she need to dedicate a lot of time training to it.
I was surprised that she dropped out but she went all in. So for now she is 400/800 specialist and not 800/1500 at least not w/o more distance training.
When she eventually runs an AR in the mile years in the future, we can look back to this DNF and realize that it’s the greatest rags to riches story of all time!
I am a big Mu fan, wish she had just ran the last 400M in 70-72 and finished in 4:27ish, still a good workout and no shame loosing to 1500M specialists ?????
broken arrow wrote:
I am a big Mu fan, wish she had just ran the last 400M in 70-72 and finished in 4:27ish, still a good workout and no shame loosing to 1500M specialists ?????
What makes you think that was possible? What if she had walked it in?
runningfan87 wrote:
Wtf is this post Rojo? Celebrating someone dropping out of a race? I love Mu and think shes gonna be the 800 goat when its all done, but praising her for dropping out is so incredibly weird.
I love that she had the guts to enter something outside of her signature race. She could have easily won the 800 today, but she challenged herself in the mile. She is only 19 years old, and she has 2 Olympic gold medals. Give her a break. She will be back in the mile at some point, and she will kill it. She ran great until she didn't, but she got some good experience. She has everything still in front of her, so who cares. I personally loved watching that race.
johnnybbbbb wrote:
a character flaw for sure if quit this type of race, no reason not to finish with your head high.
Has she ever quit a race before? I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Every runner has times that they learn from. This will be one of hers. She is a champion, so she for sure is upset about dropping out of the race. She will learn from this and be better for it. She has lots of wins in her future.
I think Mu is amazingly physically gifted.
I give her zero props for “trying a 1500”. She is an 800 athlete, it’s no big deal at all. Heck, I was a short sprinter and did 10k’s. And I may be wrong, but doesn’t she get paid to run?
In this race, she was a gutless quitter. As soon as the going got tough, she folded like a cheap lawn chair. She was out of her comfort zone, and afraid.
Nobody’s perfect. Hopefully we never see this kind of thing from her again. I will still watch her race, with interest.
Slo-Jo wrote:
runningfan87 wrote:
Wtf is this post Rojo? Celebrating someone dropping out of a race? I love Mu and think shes gonna be the 800 goat when its all done, but praising her for dropping out is so incredibly weird.
I love that she had the guts to enter something outside of her signature race. She could have easily won the 800 today, but she challenged herself in the mile. She is only 19 years old, and she has 2 Olympic gold medals. Give her a break. She will be back in the mile at some point, and she will kill it. She ran great until she didn't, but she got some good experience. She has everything still in front of her, so who cares. I personally loved watching that race.
I like this take. The way I see it, dropping out is "bad" not because of the race itself (she wasn't breaking any records anyway), but because it could lead to bad habits or a weak mental attitude that will harm her in a race that really does matter. The "Saving it for Zurich" philosophy, for the old-timers here.
Then question is: was dropping out a step on the path toward those things? Only Mu and her coach know for sure, but I would guess not. Mu doesn't have a history of dropping out of races, does have a history of finishing hard, she only dropped out when she was well off the pace, and the broader context and that she ran bravely in a race outside her comfort zone, and it's unlikely she will suddenly become "mentally weak" in her primary event.
The point I think a lot of posters are trying to make is that there shouldn't be this large moral value given to dropping out, particularly in a circumstance like this one. If it's meant as poor sportsmanship or if it is bad for the athlete's development, fine, but otherwise it's just a neutral decision that she shouldn't be criticized for. I don't think Rojo was really trying to say that dropping out was good, but rather that it's morally neutral, and that there's a certain kind of bravery in going against the "you must finish" crowd.